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re: Wondering where we went wrong……

Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:24 am to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:24 am to
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Maybe I’m under the false assumption but I thought most people wanted -
Safe schools
Good schools
Safe neighborhoods
Safe cities
Good jobs
Good amenities
Clean cities


Most people want this.



Most people want it, almost nobody wants to pay for it...
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:29 am to
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Y’all don’t want to hear this but y’all (cough cough boomers cough cough) wanted cheap widgets from China instead of well made slightly more expensive American goods so we sent all the factories offshore and took all the jobs away that regular folks could work

When you’re an adult with no job prospects you do drugs and crime

When you’re a kid with no future you do the same


You ain't wrong...you ought to have heard the carrying on in this country in the late 1970s and early 1980s when some of us would casually mention that buying a Toyota was a bad idea...you'd have thought we had said something about someone's mama. Greed was good...it was a mantra in the 1980s.

Even today if you mention something about, say, walMart, and low wages someone will inevitably sing the virtues of WalMart bringing affordable products to middle class Americans...if you remind them that that $8 pack of 3 T shirts could be made in an American Textile plant they will howl like a smashed kitty and tell you how folks in a Textile mill ain't worth a living wage...completely dismissing the industry and the efforts of its labor force that drug most of the south out of the share cropping era for one of relative middle class ease.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:31 am to
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It started when they took out prayer in schools.



If a prayer to your god is stopped by a school house your god is impotent and not worthy of prayer...
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:33 am to
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Y’all don’t want to hear this but y’all (cough cough boomers cough cough) wanted cheap widgets from China instead of well made slightly more expensive American goods so we sent all the factories offshore and took all the jobs away that regular folks could work

When you’re an adult with no job prospects you do drugs and crime

When you’re a kid with no future you do the same


You ain't wrong...you ought to have heard the carrying on in this country in the late 1970s and early 1980s when some of us would casually mention that buying a Toyota was a bad idea...you'd have thought we had said something about someone's mama. Greed was good...it was a mantra in the 1980s.

Even today if you mention something about, say, walMart, and low wages someone will inevitably sing the virtues of WalMart bringing affordable products to middle class Americans...if you remind them that that $8 pack of 3 T shirts could be made in an American Textile plant they will howl like a smashed kitty and tell you how folks in a Textile mill ain't worth a living wage...completely dismissing the industry and the efforts of its labor force that drug most of the south out of the share cropping era for one of relative middle class ease.



and that mindset was fostered and promoted under the reign of TD's favorite president....Uncle Ronnie, not sure if you can blame the boomers for starting this but they sure as hell took the ball and ran with it
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:37 am to
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Y’all don’t want to hear this but y’all (cough cough boomers cough cough) wanted cheap widgets from China instead of well made slightly more expensive American goods


In economics there's a natural progression in which manufacturing is better done by developing nations and developed nations are closer to the cutting edge, mainly high tech.

People complaining about mfg going abroad desperately need re-educated. We produce what is efficient.
Posted by HouseMom
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:40 am to
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I have both my kids with 32 and 35 ACT and over 4.0’s with full rides to major universities. All my cousins are college graduates even though my fathers 6 brothers and sisters had 1 graduate HS. They knew education or trade was the way. They never had it. Me and my cousin said everything we were taught was wrong -


Does not compute.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:51 am to
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Even today if you mention something about, say, walMart, and low wages someone will inevitably sing the virtues of WalMart bringing affordable products to middle class Americans...if you remind them that that $8 pack of 3 T shirts could be made in an American Textile plant they will howl like a smashed kitty and tell you how folks in a Textile mill ain't worth a living wage...completely dismissing the industry and the efforts of its labor force that drug most of the south out of the share cropping era for one of relative middle class ease.

Boomers scream bloody murder when you mention ubi but we already have ubi for a certain group in America that gets free food, free government money, free medical, free housing etc

If boomers wouldn’t have voted against American manufacturing those people could work at factories instead
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:09 pm to
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In economics there's a natural progression in which manufacturing is better done by developing nations and developed nations are closer to the cutting edge, mainly high tech.

People complaining about mfg going abroad desperately need re-educated. We produce what is efficient.



No doubt, from an economic standpoint you are spot on. From the point of view of working people you could not be further from the truth, especially given the nature of how manufacturing in developing nations is financed by taxing the working people whose jobs are going to be sent to those nations as soon as the US Military ensures the capital investment. People who discount the impact that US Military spending has had on the demise of the US Middle Class desperately need re-educated...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:13 pm to
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From the point of view of working people you could not be further from the truth,


Only because the lower classes stopped evolving when LBJ decided to make poverty comfortable.

Technology is advancing beyond the ability of most humans to use it for their own good. We need to be more comfortable leaving some people behind.

The govt literally has free education and skill development for poor people, there's no excuse not to be employable.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:21 pm to
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Only because the lower classes stopped evolving when LBJ decided to make poverty comfortable.

Technology is advancing beyond the ability of most humans to use it for their own good. We need to be more comfortable leaving some people behind.

The govt literally has free education and skill development for poor people, there's no excuse not to be employable.


It isn't a problem of being unemployable it is a problem of being employed and earning so little money that social spending is required to prevent criminal behavior. Loads of highly skilled and motivated people are unable to earn a living in this country during economic slowdowns. I am sure that those people are lower class in this scenario....

Given that personal merit has never accounted for 1/10th of who one knows and is on good terms with in this country do we base your leaving folks behind on merit are the same shite we have alwayes rewarded people for in this country, their connections??? Because if it is based on merit about 2/3s of the upper and middle classes are going to find themselves wanting when they face judgement....
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:26 pm to
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Boomers scream bloody murder when you mention ubi but we already have ubi for a certain group in America that gets free food, free government money, free medical, free housing etc

If boomers wouldn’t have voted against American manufacturing those people could work at factories instead



We have UBI for everyone in this country without regard to their race or ethnicity....low wage employers rely on the largesse of tax payers to subsidize their work force and have since the 1940s. The people receiving the benefits are not the problem, the problem is the billionaires who refuse to foot their actual costs of production so they can remain billionaires. Of course most Americans can't bring themselves to blame people like the WalMart heirs because they are wealthy so they must be worthy but the damned single mother down the street making those WalMart heirs billionaires and doing so because she is making her monthly nut out of your wallet....but by damn we can buy that $8 3-pack of t-shirts made in bangladesh and anyone who says differently needs re-educating LOL....

we keep doing the same shite over and over and expecting different outcomes...there is term for that..
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