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re: Why does Hitler get more hate than Stalin?

Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:48 pm to
Posted by Farkwad
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:48 pm to
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I read that article for 2 minutes then I saw golden anti-semite was the poster.


Not sure what you are talking about, Jennifer Rosenberg wrote the preface commentary. The last will and testament are all over the jewish archives.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted by Kcrad
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:49 pm to
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Posted by TT9
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:58 pm to
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But Stalin seems to not be thought of in the same regards as Hitler
I've always said Stalin was far worse than Hitler, he put his own son on the frontline in Stalingrad, and had multiple wife's murdered.

But hey, he was our "Allie".
Posted by crazycubes
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:59 pm to
It pays to be a winner
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:00 pm to
Educate yourself idiot
Posted by Vegas Eddie
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:03 pm to
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Eta: Funny thing is that he amd Hitler had a deal going on. Hitler broke the deal by invading, so they went to war. The world would be a completely different place had Hitler not invaded Poland



Based on this comment, I find it hard to believe you watched anything
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:05 pm to
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Hitler did everything he could to prevent war.
No, nope and no.

Lebensraum is all you need to know about this.

But I guess bombing London was Hitler's way of saying I dont want war. Silly me.
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:09 pm to
And if you know anything about WW1 and how Germany lost it and was politically embarrassed, fast forward to the surrender of France and see what Hitler requested. Then tell me he had no intention of war with France, he had every intention of war with France and Russia.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:10 pm to
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But I guess bombing London was Hitler's way of saying I dont want war. Silly me.


Actually, the British declared war on Germany over a German/Polish dispute, so Germany's bombing of London has no bearing on whether Hitler sought war with Britain. The war was absolutely a war of choice for both sides in different ways, but in respect to Germany engaging in hostilities with Britain and France, their hand was forced by Britain and France declaring war on them.

This would be like suggesting the United States forced Germany into a war it had to fight on account that the United States bombed and invaded Germany. It's fallacious reasoning.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:11 pm
Posted by Kcrad
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:10 pm to
If Hitler wouldn't have a hard-on for France, and left the Western Front alone, The Soviets would've benn destroyed.

No lend lease to Stalin, game over, man. It would have saved us 35 years of nuclear madness and Korea, plus Vietnam.
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:14 pm to
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their hand was forced by Britain and France declaring war on them.

Wrong, they invaded Poland with Russia's help, which forced Britain and France to declare war on Germany if they did not withdraw troops from Poland.


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no bearing on whether Hitler sought war with Britain
Which he did not, he did in fact want to invade France. The entire German army was geared toward war with France.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:16 pm
Posted by Vegas Eddie
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:16 pm to
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If Hitler wouldn't have a hard-on for France, and left the Western Front alone, The Soviets would've benn destroyed. No lend lease to Stalin, game over, man. It would have saved us 35 years of nuclear madness and Korea, plus Vietnam.



+1
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:16 pm to
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Sure, but most students at 4-year universities know Stalin was a POS. To say 90% of college students have no idea Stalin killed anyone is retarded


I'd feel safe betting a ton of money that atleast 70% of non history or political science majors couldn't tell you shite about him.

I think you're vastly overestimating high school history education in this country.
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:17 pm to
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If Hitler wouldn't have a hard-on for France, and left the Western Front alone, The Soviets would've benn destroyed. No lend lease to Stalin, game over, man. It would have saved us 35 years of nuclear madness and Korea, plus Vietnam.
He wanted revenge for the Armistice of Compiègne.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:19 pm to
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Which he did not, he did in fact want to invade France. The entire German army was geared toward war with France.


There's literally nothing substantive to support his claim. Hitler explicitly expressed numerous times a desire to establish permanence of Western borders in an effort to prevent the West from going to war with itself again. Hitler was even willing to surrender German claims on Alsace-Lorraine into perpetuity to achieve this, as he surrendered German claims on the South Tyrol, which was very controversial at the time.

Also, upon invading Poland, Hitler left Germany's western borders virtually completely undefended. And of course a Sitzkrieg settled over the continent following Poland's fall where Hitler made peace overtures to both France and Britain to no avail.

You're making hollow, unsubstantiated claims. Germany and France have long had enmity towards one another, particularly stemming from WWI and it's aftermath, but there is absolutely nothing that suggests Hitler sought war with France.
Posted by SlowEasyConfident
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:20 pm to
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he put his own son on the frontline in Stalingrad


Yep, he was later captured. Russian soldiers weren't allowed to be taken prisoner either. The Germans tried to do a prisoner trade for a top general when they found out he was Stalins son. Stalin is quoted as saying "I don't have a son"
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:21 pm to
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It would have saved us 35 years of nuclear madness


Yeah but where would we be?

After wwii we gathered some of the best scientists and engineers in the world and had them advance technology at an amazingly unheard of pace in order to beat a later proved nonexistent boogeyman
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:21 pm to
Hitler's gets a bad rap
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:22 pm to
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LAURENCE REES: And to what extent do you think the war was the creation of that one person, of Hitler?

NORBERT FREI: Well, I do think that there was a readiness for at least having a confined sort of war in the military. Hitler in 1933 made it quite clear to some of his officers, when he talked about his idea and concept of Lebensraum, that he finally would go for war. And the conservative or reactionary military elite subscribed to a certain extent to that, especially when they were reflecting upon Poland, and also when they were probably reflecting about France and the situation in Alsace Lorraine. But generally speaking he didn’t make up his mind about his full idea: what war at the end would probably mean.
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You're making hollow, unsubstantiated claims. Germany and France have long had enmity towards one another, particularly stemming from WWI and it's aftermath, but there is absolutely nothing that suggests Hitler sought war with France.
Have you looked into what Hitler did after France surrendered in ww2, he destroyed the train, the statutes anything that was related to the German surrender.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:25 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:23 pm to
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there is absolutely nothing that suggests Hitler sought war with France.


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