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re: Why did Eisenhower and Truman have such a Problem with the USMC?
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:36 am to Womski
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:36 am to Womski
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That's because you are entitled to wear it.
The way I read the reg is that I'm only technically entitled to wear it if I served with a Marine unit in combat while I was in the Army. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:38 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I think you can only wear it if you were in the army but were attached to a Marine unit while deployed.
I believe your interpretation of the regulation is correct.
From AR 670-1, Chapter 21-17(a)(2) -
"Personnel who served in a designated area as a civilian or a member of another Service, but were not a member of the U.S. Army during one of the specified periods are not authorized to wear the SSI-FWTS."
And criteria for the CSIB and SSI-FWTS are essentially identical.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:39 am to Ace Midnight
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And criteria for the CSIB and SSI-FWTS are essentially identical.
Is that the Combat Infantrymans Badge?
I don't wear that one.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Is that the Combat Infantrymans Badge?
No - that's the metal pin I linked. Combat Service Identification Badge - they were cutting down on the sewing for the ASU, as it replaced both the green and blue uniforms from before. So, it's a pin on metal badge on the right breast pocket, rather than a sew on patch on the right shoulder.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:43 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Let somebody tell you that it is incorrect. It's a small gig,and will make them feel better, if it ever happens.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:47 am to Ace Midnight
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Service, but were not a member of the U.S. Army during one of the specified periods are not authorized to wear the SSI-FWTS."
Guard right? I think there may be an NGR or they leave it up to the individual TAGs on former wartime service devices, I'm almost certain its a go in LA and MS or I've seen some high ranking types out of uniform (which is also a possibility)
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:48 am to SonofDye
"Douglas McArthur"
With the help of God and a few Marines, McArthur returned to the Phillipines...
With the help of God and a few Marines, McArthur returned to the Phillipines...
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:51 am to Lakeboy7
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Guard right?
I'm not up on it, so you may very well be right. The only deviation I made when I was still in the Guard was to wear authorized state awards. And even that was silly, because you couldn't wear those for a DA photograph. But, it made everyone feel better to have a bunch of state awards for an impressive ribbon rack.
Speaking of which, should I apply for War College? I'm getting too old for all this shite.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:51 am to Ace Midnight
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From AR 670-1, Chapter 21-17(a)(2) -
"Personnel who served in a designated area as a civilian or a member of another Service, but were not a member of the U.S. Army during one of the specified periods are not authorized to wear the SSI-FWTS."
Was about to post that. But something I also found:
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(14) Operation Iraqi Freedom: from 19 March 2003 to a date to be determined, for soldiers assigned to units participating in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Soldiers must have been deployed in the CENTCOM area of operations, or participated in Operation Iraqi Freedom while deployed in Turkey, Israel, and Aegis cruisers. Soldiers who served with the 1st Marine Division from 19 March 2003 to 21 April 2003 during combat operations in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom are authorized to wear the 1st Marine Division shoulder sleeve insignia as their SSI-FWTS. Soldiers who were deployed in the area of operations on training exercises or in support of operations other than Iraqi Freedom are not authorized the SSI-FWTS, unless those exercises or operations became combat or support missions to Operation Iraqi Freedom.
So even if some gung-ho fricker looks into the regs trying to out you, maybe he'll see this and just think that's why you wear it.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:56 am to Ace Midnight
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should I apply for War College? I'm getting too old for all this shite.
Absolutely! I'm afraid I got the reserve component kiss of death, my application for the resident course was denied! no 06 for you big boy.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:57 am to terd ferguson
How come the Marines don't wear their patches? I know they used to but how come they put a stop to it?
Posted on 5/19/16 at 8:58 am to Dissident Aggressor
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With the help of God and a few Marines, McArthur returned to the Phillipines...
There were few if any Marines involved with McArthur's campaigns in the South Pacific. Little known fact: there were more U.S. Army personnel involved in the Pacific War than there were Marines.
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 9:00 am
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:01 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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How come the Marines don't wear their patches? I know they used to but how come they put a stop to it?
The idea was the US Marine patch on your chest was more than enough.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:03 am to terd ferguson
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some gung-ho fricker
The correct term is "super lifer"
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Marine Corps did away with them In The 60s I think.
I read about the decision many years ago,and have forgotten what it was about.
I really liked not having them.
I read about the decision many years ago,and have forgotten what it was about.
I really liked not having them.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:05 am to RollTide1987
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There were few if any Marines involved with McArthur's campaigns in the South Pacific.
It was worse than that - folks at the Pentagon and working at the WH commented that the Pacific Ocean, as big as it was, was almost unable to accommodate the egos of Doug MacArthur and Chester Nimitz.
So, they (Leahy, Marshall and King who all ranked both of them by DOR and position) drew a line in the water - Mac worked North from Australia , and Nimitz came from Midway West and Southwest. Recall there was no DOD back then, but separate War and Navy departments - with a war of that scope, it was tough, well before there was any formal notion of joint operations and "think purple" - a lot of interservice coordination was ad hoc or provisional, at best.
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 9:07 am
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:07 am to Ace Midnight
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well before there was any formal notion of joint operations and "think purple" - a lot of interservice coordination was ad hoc or provisional, at best.
We should go back to that. We kicked arse in that war. Everything since has been meh.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:11 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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idea was the US Marine patch on your chest was more than enough.
That's what I figured. Just never read up on it.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:12 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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We should go back to that. We kicked arse in that war. Everything since has been meh.
Who? The National Guard?
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:12 am to RollTide1987
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Little known fact: there were more U.S. Army personnel involved in the Pacific War than there were Marines.
You are correct,after a handful of Marines did the fighting, they brought in millions of Army troops to lay around and keep an eye on the monkeys.
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