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re: Whites at top colleges would go from 66% to 75% if SAT only admission criteria
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:59 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:59 pm to lsupride87
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Any one that runs under a 4.6 forty is fast. Thats the baseline
slackster is arguing a white guy running a 4.57, an asian running a 4.59, and a black person running a 4.54 is a better team than
3 black guys who run 4.48, 4.51, and 4.50
Because diversity is strength
Are you building a football team or running a race?
If you're running a race, give me the 3 fastest. If you're building a football team, I'm going to look at more than just their 40 time or any quantifiable metrics.
Pride is a CPA. Do they only give that designation to 100s on all 4 sections, or is anyone who passed the minimum of 75 given the designation?
Did you interview for the job you have? Why interview if subjective attributes are irrelevant?
Do you ask your doctor what he/she scored on the MCAT? How about your advisor on the Series 66?
I'm not sure why everyone has to play dumb with this topic.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 4:13 pm
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:11 pm to CptRusty
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No, I am suggesting that selection with any other goal than finding the best and brightest will lead to inferior enrollment population. I am suggesting that diversity is not a virtue ipso facto. I am suggesting that discrimination based on race is wrong no matter who does it or why.
I'm not suggesting discrimination based on any race whatsoever. My first requirement is that the student/candidate is qualified, plain and simple. Once that has been met, I'm looking to bring someone on who complements the team/class in someway other than simply being very smart. I don't want a white/black/brown whatever person simply because of their race either. I don't care about their race, I care about their story and their background. Where does their strength originate? What experiences do they have that would add value to my team/class?
If my team ends up being racially homogeneous, so be it. I'm shooting for diversity of thought, and I'm going to focus on diverse backgrounds to get there.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:47 pm to slackster
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I'm not sure why everyone has to play dumb with this topic.
some are racist. Some are dumb.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 5:40 pm to slackster
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I'm not suggesting discrimination based on any race whatsoever
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I don't care about their race
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If my team ends up being racially homogeneous, so be it.
Lies:
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I think building a class that is a reasonable representation of the culture and people you'll encounter post-grad
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:25 pm to CptRusty
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Lies
You're slow, clearly. I've consistently said they have to be qualified first and foremost. Then I said I want a reasonably accurate representation of the real world.
I can only assume this is a troll at this point.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:06 am to slackster
When this:
trumps this:
...then you are discriminating based on arbitrary factors, in your case race/culture/ethnicity/whatever.
Qualification is not a binary, it is a spectrum. At such point that those lower on the spectrum receive admittance before those higher on the spectrum, then there is discrimination.
Your "reasoning", in so much that it can be called such, is pure bullshite. I said way early on in the thread that you'd be willing to perform any mental gymnastics necessary to justify discriminatory admittance practices so long as the result is your preferred ethnic rainbow enrollment class. You have proven that to be true beyond any shadow of a doubt.
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Then I said I want a reasonably accurate representation of the real world.
trumps this:
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qualified
...then you are discriminating based on arbitrary factors, in your case race/culture/ethnicity/whatever.
Qualification is not a binary, it is a spectrum. At such point that those lower on the spectrum receive admittance before those higher on the spectrum, then there is discrimination.
Your "reasoning", in so much that it can be called such, is pure bullshite. I said way early on in the thread that you'd be willing to perform any mental gymnastics necessary to justify discriminatory admittance practices so long as the result is your preferred ethnic rainbow enrollment class. You have proven that to be true beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:13 am to CptRusty
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Qualification is not a binary, it is a spectrum. At such point that those lower on the spectrum receive admittance before those higher on the spectrum, then there is discrimination.
Your "reasoning", in so much that it can be called such, is pure bullshite. I said way early on in the thread that you'd be willing to perform any mental gymnastics necessary to justify discriminatory admittance practices so long as the result is your preferred ethnic rainbow enrollment class. You have proven that to be true beyond any shadow of a doubt.
You've been making shite up since the conversation started.
I said, from the get go, that I would not lower the qualifications for anyone. However, among qualified applicants, I would pick subjectively. I've made it clear that qualified candidates are the only people who should be considered, and I also made it clear how I'd define "qualified."
I've listed plenty of real world examples where hiring managers and customers/clients make the same kind of subjective decisions that I'd make if I was in charge of admissions.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:20 am to slackster
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However, among qualified applicants, I would pick subjectively.
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Qualification is not a binary, it is a spectrum. At such point that those lower on the spectrum receive admittance before those higher on the spectrum, then there is discrimination.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:38 am to CptRusty
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Qualification is not a binary, it is a spectrum. At such point that those lower on the spectrum receive admittance before those higher on the spectrum, then there is discrimination.
What is that supposed to mean in the real world?
Do you truly believe that SAT scores are the only way to determine whether or not someone is qualified?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:40 am to slackster
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What is that supposed to mean in the real world?
it means when race/ethnicity/etc. becomes part of your admittance policy (whether stated or not), you are discriminating.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:45 am to CptRusty
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it means when race/ethnicity/etc. becomes part of your admittance policy (whether stated or not), you are discriminating.
What about SES?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:49 am to slackster
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I said, from the get go, that I would not lower the qualifications for anyone. However, among qualified applicants, I would pick subjectively. I've made it clear that qualified candidates are the only people who should be considered, and I also made it clear how I'd define "qualified."
You are changing the goal posts though. The ENTIRE point of this convo is that the top schools HAVE to lower their minimum test score requirements for certain races in order to come close to the diversification they want.
Its not that they accept certain races at a higher rate, its that they are LOWERING their standards. So you argument has 0 to do with this thread.
You are trying to argue that you would always consider a latino and black person in an interview over an asian if given the opportunity, but the entire point of the OP was that the latino and black person on average would never have met the minimum requirements for an interview.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:02 am to slackster
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What about SES?
we've been over this:
quote:quote:Hypothetically? Higher test scores and GPA, coupled with identical socioeconomic background and extracurriculars. By your standards , whitey gets passed over "because diversity"
What makes these hypothetical students more qualified?
to which, you replied with your typical mental gymnastics:
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I'm trying to build the most complimentary class possible. Students that will challenge one another in all facets. Accepting another cookie cutter valedictorian doesn't always do that.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:14 am to baldona
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You are changing the goal posts though. The ENTIRE point of this convo is that the top schools HAVE to lower their minimum test score requirements for certain races in order to come close to the diversification they want.
FWIW, 57% of the people "kicked out" in this study were white. This thread would have you believe they were all minorities.
I haven't changed the goal posts once in this thread. I piggy backed off of the topic saying what I would do - what the majority of people actually do when building a class/team - is to bring on complimentary qualified people.
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You are trying to argue that you would always consider a latino and black person in an interview over an asian if given the opportunity
That's never what I've argued, FWIW. I don't care about the race, I care about the background, the story so to speak. Granted, that may skew things towards one race or another, but that's the results, not the goal.
I'd have ZERO problem with race and sex being eliminated from the application process.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:31 am to CptRusty
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to which, you replied with your typical mental gymnastics:
There is nothing groundbreaking or even contentious about my reply. You're the one who made the statement that "whitey gets passed over", but I've never said or even implied that.
If I'm getting hundreds of applicants with similar quantifiable metrics, including SES and extracurricular achievements, I'm going to have to separate them using subjective measures. Why do you think interviews are popular at highly selective schools?
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