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re: What factors make a house a "Starter home?"

Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:14 pm to
Do any of you have kids? The idea of less than 2,000 ft. with a wife and two kids makes my palms sweat.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:16 pm to
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The idea of less than 2,000 ft. with a wife and two kids makes my palms sweat.


Plenty people make it work with either less space, more kids, or both. That's a lot of space for 4 people.
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:19 pm to
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Plenty people make it work with either less space, more kids, or both. That's a lot of space for 4 people.


Making it work does not mean comfortable. I could make it work in a 1 bedroom apartment.

Is that what we are talking about? What could you survive with?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:22 pm to
If you can't be comfortable with 2000 sq ft with just a wife and two kids, you're doing something wrong. I know this is the OT, but that's just comical.
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:24 pm to
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If you can't be comfortable with 2000 sq ft with just a wife and two kids, you're doing something wrong. I know this is the OT, but that's just comical.


Says the guy with no kids.
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:25 pm to
And before you start, I have watched you argue mundane subjective points for a long time here. I'll just say you are right. Okay?
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:26 pm to
5 of us managed in 1800 for a long time
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:29 pm to
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5 of us managed in 1800 for a long time


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managed


Again, I didn't know that was the discussion.

Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:30 pm to
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If you can't be comfortable with 2000 sq ft with just a wife and two kids, you're doing something wrong.


I don't remember which, but one of those old Almanacs (not even a term we use much anymore because we have the internet) listed the average size of a single family home in the 1950s as something like 1400 square feet (eta: just under 1000sq ft actually). Meanwhile the average family size was six.

They made it work. Every kid didn't get his own room and there were routine fights about the bathroom, but they made it work.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 12:32 pm
Posted by TU Rob
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:31 pm to
In our area, it is mostly Townhouses or Condos. Our first one we bought 10 years ago. 3/2.5 townhouse with a single car garage. Tons of stairs, but we were fresh out of school with no kids. Eventually the 1 car garage got old. We sold it 2.5 years later and bought our house.

It was a 3/2 with a full basement/garage. Way too much storage, and of course now, 8 years later, it is filled with junk. I don't see us moving out of it any time soon. Probably stay here another 5-7 years and when my daughter is a teenager and my son is in Elementary school, we may look for something more on one level and with less yard to keep up. Maybe a guest bedroom as well. A 4/3.5 with decent kitchen and living space would be great.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:32 pm to
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Says the guy with no kids.


Right, because surely I've never had an experience living in such a household or seen it done.

It's not like my parent's first home didn't have 4 of us with <1800 sq ft. Nope, impossible.

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And before you start, I have watched you argue mundane subjective points for a long time here. I'll just say you are right. Okay?


You're goddamn right I'm right. And I could say the same for you.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:33 pm to
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They made it work. Every kid didn't get his own room and there were routine fights about the bathroom, but they made it work.


The house I'm in now was my wife's grandparents' home. They raised 6 kids in this house.
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:35 pm to
So we are both right. I will carry on.
Posted by dante
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:35 pm to
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listed the average size of a single family home in the 1950s as something like 1400 square feet. Meanwhile the average family size was six.
As you are well aware......a lot has changed since the 1950's. Including salaries and double income parents. Don't forget that women today weigh as much as men from 1960....so the reality is a 1400 square foot home today is literally a smaller living space than 1950.
Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:36 pm to
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A "starter-home" should be an investment imo.


Your primary residence is never an investment. You don't earn a dime of rental income from it and you have no idea whatsoever a) when you will eventually sell it and, b) what someone will be willing to pay you for this property that produces zero income (assuming it becomes their primary residence as well).

In answer to the OP, a starter home is in the eye of the beholder and basically is based on price. It is essentially saying, "I am getting this house now but I will be upgrading later in life." If you find your dream home while young and for a reasonable price, then that is not your starter home, that is simply your home.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:37 pm to
You serious Clark?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:37 pm to
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Don't ask Matt Flynn.



thats just wrong
Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:39 pm to
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Don't forget that women today weigh as much as men from 1960....so the reality is a 1400 square foot home today is literally a smaller living space than 1950.


I was just backing up LNCHBOX's point, but at the end of the day it's a matter of preferences (and resources). We're southerners so we're accustomed to ample space, yards, and readily available free parking everywhere we go. Those things are high premium luxuries in many parts of the country and most of the developed world.
Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:40 pm to
What part of what I wrote are you questioning? I am dead serious.
Posted by dante
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 12:41 pm to
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Your primary residence is never an investment.
It is absolutely an investment....usually a good one.....but not always. Whether or not someone capitalizes on that investment is a completely different story.



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