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re: U.S. Oil Production Growth’s Path Is Clear

Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:13 pm to
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Set it straight


"Because there was a supply chain shortage due to a global pandemic, Trump is obviously to blame.

But since Biden has enacted ridiculous energy policy to effectively raise the prices of all products it's all OK now because even though we are paying 2x-3x for the same commodities at least the shelves are full."

Does that about sum it up you retard?
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 9:17 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:17 pm to
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Trump is obviously to blame.



Trump is as much to blame for the shortages as Biden is for this gas price increase.

quote:

enacted retarded energy policy

Again, what energy policy was enacted that raised gasoline prices? I'm not saying there are some shite policies, I'm asking which ones raised gas prices.

We are paying the same price now as we paid when Trump left office. So whatever shite policies enacted were in place have to be gone now. No one has actually pointed out more than 'Muh policies'

This isn't "the president doesn't control the price" this is, this price fluctuation had nothing to do with presidential policy.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 9:19 pm
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:19 pm to
I feel like this is appropriate for this discussion.

Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:23 pm to
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Other than the hit my 401k has taken (under Trump and Biden) I don't really care. shite is more expensive under Biden, but wasn't on the shelf under Trump. Since that is historical timeline you view things in.


I sincerely hope you have like a brain condition that is responsible for this stupidity

Or maybe you're ok with the fact you are blatantly lying
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:25 pm to
It was making fun of people who blame the opposing political rep for all their ills without realizing there might be circumstances outside of politics that play into things like price or shortages.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
23227 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:30 pm to
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Biden has wrecked this economy.


100%

How can anyone downvote the fact that Biden totally fricked up this entire country!
Posted by Lbddwh
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2016
14 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:42 pm to
You can’t promote alternative energy agenda with gas prices at $2 and oil at $65. You can’t solar projects and wind projects approved with energy prices this low. The high the commodity price the higher the prices are at home and the promotion of alternative energy source is the savory.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:48 pm to
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You can’t promote alternative energy agenda with gas prices at $2 and oil at $65. You can’t solar projects and wind projects approved with energy prices this low. The high the commodity price the higher the prices are at home and the promotion of alternative energy source is the savory.




The late T. Boone Pickens had a good TED talk about how he lost his behind on the windmill investment he made in the 2000’s just before natural gas prices tumbled.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76266 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:53 pm to
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You can’t promote alternative energy agenda with gas prices at $2 and oil at $65.


O&G has lost the fear of being replaced. The last year has proven they control the price at the pump. Like OPEC they can turn the spigot on and off.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:29 pm to
I see you’re still trying to argue that Biden’s policies are no worse than Trump’s regarding O & G prices. Or better yet as I suspected you would get around to the President’s policies don’t affect prices. It’s as if we weren’t alive through the Trump term. You progressives are always trying to convince others to believe your delusions. Sorry to bust another delusion of yours but you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76266 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:33 pm to
Muh policies...

You ever come up with one of those policies? Or you just regurgitate the word?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42743 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:37 pm to
Wait.

That's the best plan right now.

We have to wait until the board expert on drilling, production, and Petro economics, cwill, tells us what's about to happen.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 10:46 pm
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:41 pm to
I’m waiting for you genius to explain why the average gas prices were so much lower under Trump than under Biden or are you going to regurgitate “the lockdown was the reason”?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76266 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:46 pm to
Because the world was shut down for 6 months or so.

Tons of supply with little demand. Work from home, no work, etc....so much supply that financially sustaining fringe production was unreasonable.

FFW to the opposite, demand returned faster than anyone expected (including refiners who were burnt). So they have played catchup until the very recent past.

For the first time gas (some distillate) stocks finally made it back into the 5 year band, and then weather hit causing more supply issues.

The war opened arbitrage for a bit to Europe, however there are a lot more nuances that add to that price, and aren't political in nature.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 10:50 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42743 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:49 pm to
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feel like this is appropriate for this discussion.


Lots of truth in that meme.

Reality is there will be another boom and another and another and another. It's a commodity and there are always ups and downs.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:52 pm to
Of course! I knew you would blame the lockdown. You ignore the fact that the avg price of gas during Trump’s term was still below Biden’s term even before the lockdown. You Biden loving puzzies/never-Trumpers can’t accept the fact that you voted for an idiot & therefore you’re an idiot. Name me 1 issue in our country which you think is better now?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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76266 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:59 pm to


Quit throwing out red herrings. Just name the evil policy responsible for driving up gas prices.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:05 pm to
“Red herrings” I don’t think you know the meaning of that term. Why don’t you quit throwing out excuses and tell me why, when you look at that chart posted on page 1 of this thread, there is an immediate tremendous spike as Biden gets selected. Hint - we were still in lockdown at the beginning of Biden’s term.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76266 posts
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:13 pm to
Because O&G missed. We expected more lockdowns and didn't react to what was assumed to be a temporary return of demand. It was a permanent return.

Once behind on gas stocks there wasn't sufficient refining capacity (a couple million bbls shut down under Trump, not because of Trump) to rebound like we always have. +90% for almost 18 months is astonishing.

Distillate is similar, but different. Gas as a byproduct, but demand never really dropped because of new consumer demands
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 11:16 pm
Posted by minister of truth
Somewhere new for 6-12 months
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:57 pm to
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We expected more lockdowns and didn't react to what was assumed to be a temporary return of demand.


this is divorced from reality- no one thought return of demand was going to be temporary. most on here were saying the lockdowns were going to magically disappear after the selection. if anything the lockdowns persisted longer than expected in Democrat-controlled regions of the country and demand was slower to rise than expected.

you just refuse to accept that your choice of Biden is primarily responsible for the dramatic increase in gas prices during his term. you excuse him for the almost immediate spike in gas prices coinciding with Biden taking office. amazing how average gas price under Trump was less than Obama & Biden. you Dims must be in bed with the oil companies (remember that claim about the republicans) just like you guys love war (I guess the lockdown was the reason we had no new conflict under Trump as well)
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