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TUPAC YUPANQUI - DISCOVERER OF OCEANIA

Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:11 pm
Posted by bobBoxer
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:11 pm
x deniable sudaca
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In 1465, 27 years before Columbus arrived in the Americas, the Conquering Prince Tupac Yupanqui formed a great fleet and sailed west, returning a year later with lots of gold and silver, a brass chair, black-skinned slaves and a horse jaw

Me personally I think they its probably true the people on the islands look pretty similar to native Americans
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So, let's return to 1465. Tupac Yupanqui was not yet Incan Emperor, but the crown prince, who earned the title of hatun auqui, "Conquering Prince", thanks to his military campaigns in modern-day Ecuador at the behest of his father, Emperor Pachacuti.


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In his campaign of 1462, he conquered the coastal city of Manta, famous for its rich commerce and maritime tradition, as the Indians of Manta were, alongside the natives of southern Peru's coast, the only Amerindians to build watercraft with sails.

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Spanish accounts of the watercraft say that, despite 15 being the common crew, the crafts were large enough to carry 50 men and 3 horses (not that the Incas had any), and included nets and spaces to store and prepare food, making them very viable for long journeys indeed.



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Shortly after his conquest, local Mantans showed him to a group of foreign merchants claiming to hail from distant lands: the isles the Mantans knew as Hahua Chumbi (Remote Island) and Nina Chumbi (Fire Island). They claimed the islands were on the other side of the great sea.
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The size of the Mantan rafts and their ability to keep themselves fed on fish and rainwater prove that the trip was possible, as does the presence of those foreign merchants who would act as guides for Tupac's fleet. Polynesia and South America were known to have sporadic trade.

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The Spanish themselves made many conjectures, some claiming the Incans were referring to the uninhabited Galápagos islands, to the inhabited Lobos Island, or even the Panamanian Isthmus, where Conquistadors reported to have encountered black-skinned men in the mountains.

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Settled around the Gulf of San Miguel, the Spaniards would categorize, in the 1500s, a tribal group they called the "Negroes of Cuarecua". A people they considered "Ethiopian", living a primitive existence in the hills near the coast, always warring with neighboring tribes.

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Believing them to be Africans that must have arrived in the Americas on stolen European ships, the Spaniards described the "Negroes" as a "thieving people" disliked by the local Cuarecuan Indians, with whom they would always fight and "enslave or kill each other".

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The last mention of these Cuarecua Negroes was done by Bartolome de las Casas, describing a Spanish attack on their villages where 700 died, among them their king, Torecha. While De Las Casas would often exaggerate numbers, it's clear these "Negroes" were a dwindling population.

This gives some to the credibility to the theory of black skinned people already being in the americas
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There are several points in favor of the Panamanian hypothesis. For one, Mantans and Panamanians regularly traded with each other, and the Panamanian natives were the first people to tell the Spanish of the Incan Empire. There, Tupac could've found his gold and brass.


Y'all think this is true or some incan folklore?
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 8:16 pm
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:20 pm to
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This gives some to the credibility to the theory of black skinned people already being in the americas


They were. They were Moors. That's what Columbus was actually doing. He was going to hunt down the Moors that escaped to the West at the behest of the Spanish empire.

Anyone who thinks Chris was the first euro in the americas is nuts.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:35 pm to
Don’t know..but reading the original Spanish accounts about visiting the Americas is fascinating.
Posted by sqerty
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:51 pm to
noble Inca accountant - is his name translated
Posted by UncleLogger
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:19 pm to
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living a primitive existence in the hills near the coast, always warring with neighboring tribes.


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"thieving people" disliked by the local Cuarecuan Indians, with whom they would always fight and "enslave or kill each other".




This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 9:21 pm
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