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Bruh. Russian parliament has already voted to recognize 2 parts of Ukraine as independent Sovereign Republics.

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That was like 7 years ago and the people in those regions also voted to be part of Russia.

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That's like calling your neighbor asking him if he wants a taco and neighbor says what? Then you knock on his door with a couple of tacos and then proceed to throw him out his house and force him to live on the street. You did give him one last meal so that makes it okay.

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This thread is full of politards telling you that Putin is really a great guy and maybe he has a point. 

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This is such a bullshite answer. Nobody is saying Putin is a great guy. We're saying that ALL nations, be it Russia or the United States or whomever, engage in realpolitik when it comes to international relations. The morality of a specific action is largely secondary or irrelevant to a state's self-interest.

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and they have the gall tell you THEY are the free-thinkers with no agenda

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Almost every powerful institution in this country, from Wall Street to corporate media to oil companies to defense contractors, supports an interventionist foreign policy. Tucker Carlson, since his days at MSNBC, has been one of the few consistent voices of a restrained American foreign policy. When it comes to foreign policy, Tucker Carlson, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul and Rand Paul are about the only free-thinkers we have.

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This is such a bullshite answer. Nobody is saying Putin is a great guy. We're saying that ALL nations, be it Russia or the United States or whomever, engage in realpolitik when it comes to international relations. The morality of a specific action is largely secondary or irrelevant to a state's self-interest.

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It's the best telltale sign of someone who has absolutely no clue about what they're talking about. It's the equivalent of turning over the CandyLand board because you're losing.

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Almost every powerful institution in this country, from Wall Street to corporate media to oil companies to defense contractors, supports an interventionist foreign policy. Tucker Carlson, since his days at MSNBC, has been one of the few consistent voices of a restrained American foreign policy. When it comes to foreign policy, Tucker Carlson, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul and Rand Paul are about the only free-thinkers we have.

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That dipshit has zero interest in any sort of nuance when it comes to this kind of thing. It's either you're on our side or you're an enemy sympathizer.

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Wrong. I said in this particular situation.

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That's still a blanket statement.

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You can argue semantics all you want. I'm still riding with the good guys. You can laugh and make jokes about that, it's cool. You and your little buddy get to laugh at the guy who has the audacity to believe the UN, NATO, and our own country over Putin and Xi with what's going on in Ukraine.

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I'm just trying to tell you that the good guys are always the good guys. I figured that after 5 years of "the good guys" trying to bury Trump because he didn't play their games, you would see that. No one is saying Putin is some sort of good guy, but he's doing what he's doing for specific reasons, and it's not the reasons the corrupt intelligence agencies/media are telling you they are.

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No one is saying Putin is some sort of good guy, but he's doing what he's doing for specific reasons, and it's not the reasons the corrupt intelligence agencies/media are telling you they are.

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You are telling me not to believe the reports, the pictures, what I see and read. You want me to to say that Putin is only doing this to keep a buffer for NATO. I get that.

I'm not sympathetic to his current plight.

I am not saying we should go to war with Russia because of Ukraine. I think this is where you and your little buddy are missing something. I am going by the reports, watching the UN meetings and NATO briefings telling us of the genocide false flag in Donbass. Watching state run Russian news then telling it's citizens they've acquired "secret Ukraine documents" of horrible things and death going on in Donbass. This all happening real time, while watching over 150,000 troops gather on 3 different fronts around the Ukraine.

I did all this without watching a lick of "corporate media" as you say. I don't know man, I still think that this time, I'm going to have to believe my eyes and ears. Maybe next time I'll go with you on that whole "doing it to give Biden street cred" thing you said earlier, but this time, I'm gonna have to pass.

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You are telling me not to believe the reports, the pictures, what I see and read. You want me to to say that Putin is only doing this to keep a buffer for NATO. I get that.

I'm not sympathetic to his current plight.

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I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm just letting you know the other side of the argument that you don't want to hear. This isn't the black and white issue you want it to be.

Russia was told from the end of the Cold War that NATO wouldn't expand east and every US president has expanded NATO east and encroached on Russia's borders. You can't blame them for being upset with their last buffers disappearing.

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I am not saying we should go to war with Russia because of Ukraine. I think this is where you and your little buddy are missing something. I am going by the reports, watching the UN meetings and NATO briefings telling us of the genocide false flag in Donbass. Watching state run Russian news then telling it's citizens they've acquired "secret Ukraine documents" of horrible things and death going on in Donbass. This all happening real time, while watching over 150,000 troops gather on 3 different fronts around the Ukraine.

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Dude, if you think we don't have state run media here in the West, I don't know what to tell you. People constantly talk about forces amassed on "Ukraine's border", but they fail to include the fact that those forces are in Russia and on the Russian border at a time when NATO is beating the war drum.

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I did all this without watching a lick of "corporate media" as you say. I don't know man, I still think that this time, I'm going to have to believe my eyes and ears. Maybe next time I'll go with you on that whole "doing it to give Biden street cred" thing you said earlier, but this time, I'm gonna have to pass.

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You'll never believe anything other than what the self-interested NATO and western media will tell you because you've already stated that, in this case, you stand with them 100% of the time no matter what.

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What are your thoughts on the moon landing?

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I think you couldn't find the moon if you were standing on it, queerbait

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I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm just letting you know the other side of the argument that you don't want to hear. This isn't the black and white issue you want it to be.

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You're not telling me what I don't want to hear get over yourself.

As for the rest, I get it, you've made your point over and over again. You believe Russia and China. I believe the rest of the planet. Let's end it at that.

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You're not telling me what I don't want to hear get over yourself.

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I am

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As for the rest, I get it, you've made your point over and over again. You believe Russia and China. I believe the rest of the planet. Let's end it at that

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This is the response of a menstruating 16 year old girl. You have a childish and naive view of the world and you've displayed that very well here.

Well, it's posted here dozens of times per day the invasion is hype and Biden is the puppeteer because war is a distraction blah blah. Now, it's been an issue with all POTUS and NATO since the Cold War. Kind of a confusing narrative. You also mentioned how the western media is twisting facts. Which Eastern news source are you trusting?