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re: Thoughts? Not trying to defend Australia but seems like they are doing something right
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you support limiting the speed limit to 20 MPH? Anything over that is selfish.
I'd love to ban cars from city centers and return to traditional architectural approaches. But no, the speed limit in American cities as they are currently designed shouldn't be lowered.
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Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:49 am to crazy4lsu
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But no, the speed limit in American cities as they are currently designed shouldn't be lowered.
Gotcha.
So this selfishness theme of yours doesn't extend to driving, and only matters during a medical matter.
So driving at a speed that can kill another driver isn't selfish, but not getting vaccinated is.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:50 am to dgnx6
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They do. We dont have rights as a group but as individuals.
Again, this is such an insane reading of Western intellectual history. The individualist approach is relatively nascent, and for most of human history, the rights of the group were the almost indivisible from the rights of the individual. Again, human biology makes that distinction. Before you reactionary morons repeat the same inane point, understand what I'm referencing, and why I referenced evolution.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:52 am to crazy4lsu
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and for most of human history, the rights of the group were the almost indivisible from the rights of the individual
We evolved beyond communal rights and developed individual rights.
Progress.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So this selfishness theme of yours doesn't extend to driving, and only matters during a medical matter.
Again, you need to read this thread in context. What is the situation to which I'm referring in which I would be amenable for the sacrificing of individual rights?
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driving at a speed that can kill another driver isn't selfish, but not getting vaccinated is.
Are car crashes infectious?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:54 am to crazy4lsu
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Are car crashes infectious?
Does the vaccine prevent infection?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We evolved beyond communal rights and developed individual rights.
Here you are suggesting that rights are contingent, and that those rights were won solely by individuals. Is that historically accurate in terms of the development of human rights?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:55 am to crazy4lsu
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and that those rights were won solely by individuals
You need to read the thread. I've never said such.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Does the vaccine prevent infection?
Again, what was the breakthrough infection rate of the smallpox vaccine? Or rather, can you prevent the transmission of diseases that pass through respiratory droplets by vaccination alone?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:56 am to crazy4lsu
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Does the vaccine prevent infection?
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Again, what was the breakthrough infection rate of the smallpox vaccine? Or rather, can you prevent the transmission of diseases that pass through respiratory droplets by vaccination alone?
Does the vaccine prevent infection?
Youre doing nothing but dodging.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You need to read the thread. I've never said such.
Yeah you should. What did the person who I was responding to say?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Does the vaccine prevent infection?
Youre doing nothing but dodging.
No, I'm not dodging, because apparently you can't seem to grasp that you cannot prevent infections of respiratory droplet diseases by vaccination alone. Hence why I referenced the breakthrough infection rate of smallpox.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:00 am to crazy4lsu
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that you cannot prevent infections
Cool.
Then we established that it's not selfish. Glad you finally agree. The unvaccinated are not the ones spreading the disease.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Then we established that it's not selfish.
You should read the thread and understand the context of when I said this. Hint, it was in reference to the conditional I gave to Centinal, which you've used to try to make connections to the current situation. I've repeatedly given my view on the vaccine strategy with regard to Covid specifically. If you can promise to stop being dishonest, I can lay it out again. Or you can continue discussing this in what amounts to amazing bad-faith.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:14 am to crazy4lsu
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I mean, the government and governments have never needed an excuse before.
The government and governments have never tried this sweeping breadth of restrictions, government spending, etc.
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Yet in this situation, the excuse is based on very specific advice from a small group of medical professionals that somehow reflects on all medical professionals?
I specifically said the small part of the medical community that has the media and government's ear in my other post.
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It seems like people want to blame the medical community primarily, and I don't think that's the way it went down.
No, I blame the medical community that suddenly found themselves awash in media praise and attention. As I also said in another post.
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And the post-hoc excuse that the government did it to gain power is really rich, given actual things our government has done since 2000.
The government generally needs and excuse to grab more power so the citizens feel nice and comfy about it. It's all about making the people feel safe.
Crisis and Leviathan by Robert Higgs. You should read it if you haven't already. I'm sure he's in the process of updating his book after this whole shitshow.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:15 am to Cortez12
We need to treat Covid exactly like we've been treating the flu for the past few decades. No lock downs, no masks, no mandatory vaccines. Everyone is doing it wrong.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:15 am to crazy4lsu
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Utterly suicidal.
And utterly irrelevant if it is or is not. You can not protect man from himself via government force and claim to believe in a free society and individual liberty.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:19 am to Centinel
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You can not protect man from himself via government force and claim to believe in a free society and individual liberty.
Amazing how many pseudo libertarians have gone full statist.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:46 am to crazy4lsu
crazy4lsu and I were actually having a civil discussion so of course they anchor the thread. 
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:54 am to Centinel
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No, I blame the medical community that suddenly found themselves awash in media praise and attention. As I also said in another post.
I mean, isn't that just literally Fauci? He seemed completely unable to understand what his role was, which was not pop psychologist. Again, maybe I'm pushing back too much, but I'd rather not have the entire medical community defined by a small group of researchers if I could.
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The government generally needs and excuse to grab more power so the citizens feel nice and comfy about it. It's all about making the people feel safe.
See, given the last twenty years, I just don't see any government using any excuse. If they can, they will take the power outside of whatever context. I mean, the government is arguably larger than it has ever been. What more could they possibly take over that would be predicated on a contingent disease scenario?
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