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re: The Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter theory, wonderfully dumbed down

Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:17 pm to
You have free will to do as you wish. It doesn't impact me one bit.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:18 pm to
Is it weird that I figured the ideas for these theories out before I knew that they existed?
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:19 pm to
You know, you're a cool guy, killz.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:19 pm to
Knowing my lucky, Georgia will be 10 seconds away from kneeling out a win in the national championship game and civilization will hit the Great Filter.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:20 pm to
Sounds about right.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:22 pm to
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Our feeble Type I brains can hardly imagine how someone would do this, but we’ve tried our best, imagining things like a Dyson Sphere



Actually, a Dyson Sphere is very interesting. You have to understand that a Type II species could be millions of years more advanced than us. We've advanced our technology at an incredible pace in the last 100 years, yet we aren't even a fully Type I species yet. Imagine what we could accomplish with an addition several million years of innovation?
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:24 pm to
rmnldr

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You know, you're a cool guy, killz.



...a cool guy with an absolutely terrible reputation on the OT.

I can't win.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:24 pm to
We were extremely primitive just a few years ago. It is insane for anyone to consider us an advanced civilization.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:26 pm to
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Knowing my lucky, Georgia will be 10 seconds away from kneeling out a win in the national championship game and civilization will hit the Great Filter.



Actually, the Great Filter will hit us, not the other way around...but that's neither here nor there.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:32 pm
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:26 pm to
FWIW we're very far from being very advanced. Most people on Earth still shite into ditches and don't have Internet access.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:27 pm to
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We were extremely primitive just a few years ago. It is insane for anyone to consider us an advanced civilization.


See my post on the previous page. There are revelations coming that will shake man's core.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:27 pm to
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Actually, a Dyson Sphere is very interesting.


We're talking about the vacuum right? that's what I thought was humorous. If the Dyson Sphere is some intergalactic orb that we're studying or something, then I can't contribute anything.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:30 pm to
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We were extremely primitive just a few years ago. It is insane for anyone to consider us an advanced civilization.



We're extremely primitive now. Most of the planet consists of 3rd world societies. Humans are in a constant state of war with each other. We continue to use fossil fuels when other energy sources exist. Our scientists attempt to make contact with alien species as if this is a good idea.

Everything about us is primitive.

In the larger picture, our trips to the moon, our exploration of planets in our solar system...those are incredibly juvenile advancement compared to societies that may be millions to billions of years ahead of us.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:30 pm to
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...a cool guy with an absolutely terrible reputation on the OT.

I can't win.


Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:31 pm to
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Don't mean to spoil the surprise, but everyone dies in the end.


That is yesterday's model. There was a time when people said man would never fly, harness the atom or go to the moon.

We did all of those things within a reasonable lifespan. I've used a "child born a slave" example, but typically you have to get this child to well past the age of 100 to really make the impact, so I use a far more reasonable one now:

Let's say a child born in 1891, during the Rutherford B. Hayes administration. That was the same year a New Orleans mob lynched 11 Italians following the murder of Police Chief David Hennessy, Stanford University opened its doors, the escalator was patented, and Edison displayed the first kinetoscope.

This child, say born of Scandanavian immigrants in Los Angeles, would be born in an era of steam and rail - formalized segregation in the United States, just as her economy was surging past China's to become #1 in the world. Although economically powerful, the country was still young, eager and unproven. Still reeling from a civil war and painful "reconstruction" period, some quarter century and barely a decade, respectively, past - this child would have lived, very similarly to children of a century or more before - although there was a burgeoning electricity industry that didn't exist a generation or 2 before.

Before this child reached the age of majority - man could fly. In his 20s, the world fought the first "global" war in a long, long time - and the first war of a truly global scope. This war spurred innovation (as did its sequel, some 25 years later) - as the child grew to a young man and middle age as automobiles and roads began to spread everywhere like spiders and their webs.

This young man studies law and serves as governor of California and chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, ultimately penning the unanimous decision in Brown v. Board of Education, ending school desegreation in the U.S. He lived to see the invention and deployment of the atomic bomb, manned flight from Kitty Hawk to the Moon, and died at age 83, a little over 41 years ago.

So - if 1 lifetime can see all of that, who is to say we cannot make that next set of leaps in a blink of an eye, geologically speaking?
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:32 pm to
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We're talking about the vacuum right? that's what I thought was humorous. If the Dyson Sphere is some intergalactic orb that we're studying or something, then I can't contribute anything.






yeah, not the vacuum...
Posted by SundayFunday
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:35 pm to
I have never thought of this but the theory that really got me was that at some point there is no rational reason to try and colonize the universe because we would simply build a computer that we can put our minds into thats basically perfect and allows us to do anything. Functioning in the "real" world would be seen as incredibly primitive and is why we havent seen any species expand, because they found out there is no real reason to.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:36 pm to
Well, when you say the dyson sphere that's probably the first thing that comes to mind for most people.

That dyson is ahead of the game man
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:36 pm to
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So - if 1 lifetime can see all of that, who is to say we cannot make that next set of leaps in a blink of an eye, geologically speaking?



Exactly.

Even a several million more years would be a blink of the eye in terms of the cosmos.
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