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re: Tell us something about God
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
People completely misunderstand who God is because a lot of people claim to know exactly who God is and act like assholes anyway.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:22 am to celltech1981
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celltech1981
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I don't know
OK, got it recorded
Actually God as we know it, is a creation of man. Man corrupts things and through the years we have made God to become what we want God to be.
There is something Divine out there though. The majesty of the Universe and life itself did not just happen by a bunch of randomness.
There is a God, we just truly do not know the plan or the rules.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:26 am to celltech1981
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you don't understand the concept of original sin. god placed adam and eve in the garden of Eden and told them not to eat the forbidden fruit. well, they ate it. now thousands of generations later we are still being punished for that sin. See, it isn't gods fault that we are punished for something that we had nothing to do with. He is a fair and reasonable god! god is love!
If you look at eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge as the consumption of a specific type of fruit from a specific tree or type of tree, it begs a set of secondary questions that will likely not yield any satisfactory answers.
If you look at partaking of that fruit as a re-alignment of perspective, it can mean something else. At the time of the event, Man existed, Good & Evil-- and knowledge of it-- existed (in the Tree, Serpent, etc.). What changed when that knowledge was consumed/internalized by man? Adam & Eve were naked before they ate the fruit, but their judgment was in harmony with God & the universe, and there was no need for shame... After they ate the fruit, the difference was a type of self-awareness. They now understood their nakedness differently and a self-centered form of judgment emerged in shame. It was a form of awakening, but also of making themselves the center of the universe, and thus cutting themselves off from Unity.
I won't spoon feed you what you should think about that. That's up to you. Some say it was bad. Some say it was necessary... it was, after all, a form of awakening. Even the Church has referred to this act as Felix Culpa (happy fault), in that it has given Man the awareness and opportunity to re-unite with God, not from compulsion, but through free will. Without forcing a religious perspective on it, this still makes sense as there is greater happiness and meaning in unity and greater misery in isolation and separation.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:43 am to epbart
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not from compulsion, but through free will....
BroadIy speaking, agree with your take on this until this point.. (tho I could very well not understand what you are saying here...)
There is no point where they were ever under compulsion to begin with IMO... This is where I disagree..
Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:43 am to rebeloke
When you stumble He lifts you up
Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:24 pm to klrstix
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There is no point where they were ever under compulsion to begin with IMO... This is where I disagree..
Fair point, and I'm not sure we disagree. You're right in saying they had a choice.
In exercising free will that first time against Unity (eating of the Tree of Knowledge when they were told not to), they proved they were not compelled to obey. They arguably just subjected themselves to greater hardships and made it harder to be happy since that act of free will was self-centered and cut them off from Unity. (as I said in my last post: happiness and meaning are inherently greater with Unity; being unhappy is generally related to isolation-- whether physical, emotional or mental).
Maybe it's best to say they were originally in a state of innocence. It is somewhat implied that if they continued down that innocent path and had never "disobeyed", life would always be fruitful and easy. Since growth on this plane requires struggle (you don't get stronger without lifting weights and you don't get smarter/wiser without engaging problems and mental disciplines), our perspective now is that our effort to strive towards God through free will (often in contrast to what we sensually desire) makes the reunion all the sweeter and more meaningful than if we hadn't fallen in the first place (felix culpa).
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 1:27 pm to go ta hell ole miss
lol. hate that..... not hate them.
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