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Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:41 am to Pecker
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Who guys car shopping for a Camry because they're looking for an aggressive road beast?
Family guys.
For years now Camry's have been tagged as reliable yet boring.
That's been the biggest complaint for that segment. Just look at the direction Mazda has been going. People want sensible daily drivers that don't look like an appliance on wheels.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:42 am to Bmath
I bought a used mini van two years ago with 40k miles for 20 grand, leather, DVD, etc. Again, you have options. Everyone doesn't need a Honda Touring van.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:43 am to Covingtiger
quote:+1
Front end on the top pic is fugly
up vote.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:44 am to s14suspense
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grounded to the ground.
wimmenz
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:47 am to Pecker
More like Toyota's ad department.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:47 am to AUCE05
I just bought a 5 year old RAV4 with <47k mi for $10k cash. What's your point?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:50 am to Bmath
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Family guys.
For years now Camry's have been tagged as reliable yet boring.
That's been the biggest complaint for that segment. Just look at the direction Mazda has been going. People want sensible daily drivers that don't look like an appliance on wheels.
We always say this but people always end up gravitating towards the option that's not "cooler" looking, but cheaper. They're going to price out their base. Family guy who likes the look of it can just go buy a 1-2 year used Lexus now, and drive a "luxury" car instead of Camry.
This just reminds me of how Ford ruined their Explorer model that was ubiquitous during the late 90's early 2000's. They tried to make it more luxurious and more powerful with every iteration and priced out their consumers. They're now going the opposite direction and now you actually see Explorers on the road again.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:54 am to Bmath
Aren't people still blaming cash for clunkers or is that old news now?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:57 am to Pecker
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This just reminds me of how Ford ruined their Explorer model that was ubiquitous during the late 90's early 2000's. They tried to make it more luxurious and more powerful with every iteration and priced out their consumers. They're now going the opposite direction and now you actually see Explorers on the road again.
Wut? Explorers have never been more expensive than they are now. And there are many many of the model years you talked about still on the road today.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:02 am to LNCHBOX
You're not accounting for inflation.
The 2017 Ford Explorer MSRP at $31,600 (base model)
The 2010 Ford Exlporer MSRP at $31,600 (base model)
The 2005 Ford Explorer MSRP at $27,000 (base) and average MSRP of $34,000. That's in 2005.'
Adjusted for inflation, the 2005 Ford Explorer with an average MSRP of $34k would be like buying the vehicle at $41,783.09 in 2017. There's a reason people started moving from the explorer to cheaper models.
The Explorer has gotten cheaper because Ford realized it was stupid to turn it into a luxury vehicle competitor.
The 2017 Ford Explorer MSRP at $31,600 (base model)
The 2010 Ford Exlporer MSRP at $31,600 (base model)
The 2005 Ford Explorer MSRP at $27,000 (base) and average MSRP of $34,000. That's in 2005.'
Adjusted for inflation, the 2005 Ford Explorer with an average MSRP of $34k would be like buying the vehicle at $41,783.09 in 2017. There's a reason people started moving from the explorer to cheaper models.
The Explorer has gotten cheaper because Ford realized it was stupid to turn it into a luxury vehicle competitor.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:11 am to Pecker
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Adjusted for inflation, the 2005 Ford Explorer with an average MSRP of $34k
The average explorer didn't cost $34k in 2005.
The reason people are moving to the Explorer now is because it's no longer the giant piece of shite it was in the early 2000s and is a crossover now.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 10:16 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:33 am to LNCHBOX
Explorers were crappy? I've always thought of them as being consistent and affordable. Their Eddie Bauer editions were nice.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:35 am to LNCHBOX
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The average explorer didn't cost $34k in 2005.
The reason people are moving to the Explorer now is because it's no longer the giant piece of shite it was in the early 2000s and is a crossover now.
The Ford Explorer is most certainly not a "crossover." You might be thinking of the Escape.
Edmunds, Car and Driver, MotorTrend and Ford all consider the Explorer to be a Sport Utility Vehicle. An SUV.
Please re-read my previous statement. I said the average MSRP in 2010 was $34k. I was actually a little bit off. I crunched the numbers and the average MSRP was $33,128 in 2005. Adjusted for inflation (2005-2017) that dollar amount would be $40,711.48. Again, that's in 2005.
You said the Explorer has never been more expensive. I said it started out cheap, got increasingly more expensive, and now Ford is working to make it more affordable again.
All numbers adjusted for inflation and base model numbers used:
1998:$27,976.28
2000:$27,833.56
2002:$32,799.18
2005:$33,383.46
2010:$33,020.00
2012:$30,315.27
2014:$30,429.72
2017:$31,600
Adjusted for inflation - It went from being a late 90's-early 2000's $27,000 SUV that a lot of people could afford, to being a $33,000 SUV in 2005 that had a base model with leather, sunroof, sound system, etc., that competed with luxury vehicles. It was a stupid move.
I know I made fun of your minivan, but it's time for you to let it go.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:36 am to Paul Allen
Yes, they didn't hold up well at all and were built with cheap plastic interiors in the 2000s. Rode terribly and were underpowered.
ETA: I see being knowledgeable gets you downvoted in this thread
ETA: I see being knowledgeable gets you downvoted in this thread
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:37 am to Pecker
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The Ford Explorer is most certainly not a "crossover."
It most certainly is. It's built off a FWD Taurus chassis.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:38 am to Paul Allen
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Explorers were crappy? I've always thought of them as being consistent and affordable. Their Eddie Bauer editions were nice.
They were very reliable vehicles. Ford thought they needed leather everywhere, a V8 and a ford Expedition suspension. They needed none of those things because by adding those things they priced out their base consumer.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:41 am to LNCHBOX
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It most certainly is. It's built off a FWD Taurus chassis.
It's a full size SUV, but that is neither here nor there.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:44 am to Bmath
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Who guys car shopping for a Camry because they're looking for an aggressive road beast?
I could never give up my 4x4 for a car. Sorry.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:48 am to Pecker
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It's a full size SUV, but that is neither here nor there.
No it isn't. It's a three row crossover.
Full size SUVs are Tahoes, Expeditions, etc.
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