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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:30 pm to
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How could he be so pissed about not being able to catch a 50 year old man that he had How could he be so pissed about not being able to catch a 50 year old man that he had to kill him. him. That old man was quick though.


frick off
Posted by Ton Chou
On the Levee
Member since Feb 2010
757 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:31 pm to
To responses like this, unless the dude was known to have raped or murdered someone, there is one million less than zero justification to kill someone just for fleeing. None period! He had the car, prints and apparently a passenger. People who think like this are like the people who gave up their guns to the nazis.
Posted by Grim
Member since Dec 2013
12489 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:37 pm to
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To responses like this, unless the dude was known to have raped or murdered someone, there is one million less than zero justification to kill someone just for fleeing. None period! He had the car, prints and apparently a passenger. People who think like this are like the people who gave up their guns to the nazis. 

This. Unless the person in question is clearly a threat to the lives of others, a cop should have no more right to use lethal force than a normal citizen
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:38 pm to
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When will the police force take personal responsibility for their heinous act?



I had a thread about this and the cops showed up and said that its no big deal, the tax payer is on the hook either way, so don't worry about it.

The fact is that when the family sues due to wrongful death, the money will come out of city budgets for streets, parks, and healthcare. The one budget that won't be impacted is the police department's.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Fancy
Member since Feb 2015
60 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:44 pm to
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I will say this: if you disobey a cop you deserved to be shot.

i almost took the bait.


Whatever. That is what I believe and I know that a police officer will never lay a hand on me much less shoot me
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19751 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:47 pm to
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Had he not run from the cop he is most likely alive. Don't let that get in the way of your racial nonsense though.


You're an idiot.

Had the cop not shot an unarmed man his life wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be going to jail for eternity.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:49 pm to
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TT is one of those self-styled 'small government conservatives'.. you know, the kind who is ok with police executing you for a minor infraction.



So can I label you the guy that makes things up since he said nothing like that at all?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:50 pm to
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Had the cop not shot an unarmed man his life wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be going to jail for eternity.

Did you even try to put what I wrote in context? Like at all?
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37846 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:56 pm to
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quote:
Had the cop not shot an unarmed man his life wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be going to jail for eternity.

Did you even try to put what I wrote in context? Like at all?



There is no 'context' whatsoever that will excuse the cop for murdering him. Even his own police force viewed it as murder and those guys almost NEVER admit wrongdoing. So quit while you're ahead. Yea, we get it ..he shouldn't have run. Unlike say Iran, though, we have this thing called due process. Our law enforcement is not supposed to execute people when they are running away unarmed, so quit trying to make excuses for the guy soon to be serving 25 to life.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37846 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:57 pm to
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I will say this: if you disobey a cop you deserved to be shot.

i almost took the bait.


Whatever. That is what I believe and I know that a police officer will never lay a hand on me much less shoot m


If you tolerate things like this, your kids will (and should) be next.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:58 pm to
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There is no 'context' whatsoever that will excuse the cop for murdering him.


Thank goodness no one made such a claim.
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So quit while you're ahead.


Ahead of what? You dumbasses are so hellbent on looking for an argument you're making them up just to argue.

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Unlike say Iran, though, we have this thing called due process. Our law enforcement is not supposed to execute people when they are running away unarmed, so quit trying to make excuses for the guy soon to be serving 25 to life.


Literally no one made this excuse. Are we speaking different languages?
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:58 pm to
everlast
Posted by Fancy
Member since Feb 2015
60 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:07 pm to
I should tolerate people disobeying authority
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37846 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:09 pm to
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I should tolerate people disobeying authority


We have laws for crimes like resisting arrest. The sentence isn't death. Do they teach government at ULM?

Those same laws also say that murder is worse than running from cops.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:21 pm to
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Why would a cop ever need to shoot an unarmed man in the back for?


The exception(s) are few and far between, but the test in TN v. Garner is a danger to the officer (not happening if they are unarmed and running away) or they are a danger to others (society at large). A terrorist like the marathon bomber or an escaped serial killer would qualify.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:24 pm to
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I had a thread about this and the cops showed up and said that its no big deal, the tax payer is on the hook either way, so don't worry about it.

The fact is that when the family sues due to wrongful death, the money will come out of city budgets for streets, parks, and healthcare. The one budget that won't be impacted is the police department's.


The city likely has liability insurance to cover this. Many of these policies are purchased from a state municipal association. I looked at South Carolina's ( Municipal Association of South Carolina) and didn't see legal defense specifically listed. It might offer that, as many state municipal associations do. Michigan

Cities through South Carolina state law fall under sovereign immunity as political subdivisions.

The South Carolina Tort Claims Act liberalized sovereign immunity to hold the state and its political subdivisions "liable for their torts in the same manner and to the same extent as a private individual under like circumstances, subject to the limitations upon liability and damages, and exemptions from liability and damages, contained herein." LINK

However, there are 40 exceptions to this waiver of sovereign immunity.

Expect the city's defense to claim one of these sovereign immunity waiver exceptionssovereign immunity waiver exceptions:

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(17) employee conduct outside the scope of his official duties or which constitutes actual fraud, actual malice, intent to harm, or a crime involving moral turpitude;


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(25) responsibility or duty including but not limited to supervision, protection, control, confinement, or custody of any student, patient, prisoner, inmate, or client of any governmental entity, except when the responsibility or duty is exercised in a grossly negligent manner;


Less likely because "grossly negligent" at the end is murky.

Here's a South Carolina Supreme Court decision declaring municipal sovereign immunity under exception 17:
LINK

However, there are statutory limits for those political subdivisions held liable under the liberalized tort claim:

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(1) Except as provided in Section 15-78-120(a)(3), no person shall recover in any action or claim brought hereunder a sum exceeding three hundred thousand dollars because of loss arising from a single occurrence regardless of the number of agencies or political subdivisions involved.

(2) Except as provided in Section 15-78-120(a)(4), the total sum recovered hereunder arising out of a single occurrence shall not exceed six hundred thousand dollars regardless of the number of agencies or political subdivisions or claims or actions involved.

LINK
Posted by jacquespene8
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
4397 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:36 pm to
Both the cop and the victim were very bad decision makers. Both made very bad decisions and their lives are both over. That's all there is to this story.

And yes, running from the cops is a bad decision, regardless of what you think the limit on the consequences should be.

Members of both sides of the discussion have lessons to learn; and I hope they learn it. Hopefully cops learn to keep their weapons holstered unless absolutely necessary. And hopefully people will learn to submit when you are caught.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19115 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 10:12 pm to
not clicking it won't change me..........
cops are trash we need to fix my opinion. what do you suggest. I generally like most police. its just the ones on the videos i don't like.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13533 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:43 pm to
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quote: Had he not run from the cop he is most likely alive.


This is true

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Had the cop not shot an unarmed man his life wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be going to jail for eternity.


This is true

What is with you people that can't separate the 2 statements and instead act like saying the first one means you think the cop did nothing wrong?? No one is saying the cop shouldn't be in jail for life or that he did nothing wrong. Well except for this obvious troll who just started posting
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 11:45 pm
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:25 am to
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And yes, running from the cops is a bad decision, regardless of what you think the limit on the consequences should be.


I don't think anyone is disputing that it was a bad decision. Just try not to lose track of the fact that he shot an unarmed person in the back 8 times while he was running away. He wasn't in a struggle. He wasn't in a shootout. The guy could've easily been rundown by someone with just below average physical fitness. What this cop decided to do is as heinous as it gets.
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