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re: So Idiocracy really is a documentary

Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:43 am to
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:43 am to
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own the rights to the labor of other people
Interesting way to phrase it, many of the wealthiest people in the world literally don’t have to work a day in their entire lives. The inherited money grows by itself.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:45 am to
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many of the wealthiest people in the world literally don’t have to work a day in their entire live


Invalid point.

What does that have to do with owning the rights to someones labor in a legal sense?

Just more progressive jealousy.

If you had your way, the US would resemble a giant prison. No responsibility, no thinking involved, the government feeds, clothes, takes care of your health...
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:45 am to
Even pack animals don’t behave in an “every man for himself” way. There should be limits but there has to be some collectivism and thought for the “common good”
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:46 am to
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Even pack animals don’t behave in an “every man for himself


Thats why they're a pack animal. Durr
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:47 am to
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Even pack animals don’t behave in an “every man for himself” way.



We aren't pack animals. Some of us evolved beyond that mentality.
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:47 am to
You are putting words in my mouth and trying to pigeon hole me. Just argue against what I said, not the idea of me or what you erroneously think I am/represent.
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:49 am to
Humans absolutely are, we are the most social animals to ever exist. An example of a non pack animal would be a tiger, completely solitary and non social. That is not humans.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:49 am to
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You are putting words in my mouth and trying to pigeon hole me


Not at all. You are what you are.

Individualism seeks self actualization. Progressives are stuck on physiological, and safety/security.



Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:50 am to
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we are the most social animals to ever exist.


That is correct, which is why individuals rely on cooperation, not force.

Like you.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:58 am to
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So in a hunter/gatherer situation, if someone breaks their leg hunting, should they just be left to die? What about Jim Bob that breaks his leg at the plant?


The things that you’ve said using this example imply that Jim Bob will heal and begin to contribute again. I have no problem with charity in those cases. Our society has created an entire class of people who are being helped incessantly and have no plans to ever contribute. As a matter of fact, they aren’t just being helped, they’re being rewarded for contributing nothing more than offspring who will continue that behavior.
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 11:59 am to
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We shouldn't let people starve but they should be eating government cheese and baloney, not shopping at Publix with our tax $$$.



And Universal income for the nonworking should be seen as evil a tool as slavery.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:00 pm to
Well thankfully, most people have cooperated to make laws that protect people in certain situations. We aren’t just going to let someone starve to death because they got injured or are too old to work. And if they have no one to help them, it doesn’t matter, we as a society won’t allow that. In your scenario they would die.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:06 pm to
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We aren’t just going to let someone starve to death because they got injured or are too old to work.


Nor should we, but these aren’t the people we’re talking about. The group I described earlier are the ones that you aren’t addressing.
This post was edited on 7/10/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:08 pm to
And I don’t favor people just mooching off of the government or whoever. I never said I did. I was arguing with the dude who said there should be no level of collectivism and common good, that everything should just be every man for himself.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:09 pm to
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most people have cooperated to make laws


Laws require enforcement, which requires violence.

You would use violence to force people to provide labor. That's pretty shitty.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:13 pm to
phrase it however you wish, a person who is unable to contribute because they are too old, injured, etc, should be cared for. And that care shouldn’t be left up to the voluntary whim of those around them.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:22 pm to
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phrase it however you wish, a person who is unable to contribute because they are too old, injured, etc, should be cared for. And that care shouldn’t be left up to the voluntary whim of those around them.


For the entire history of mankind this has been expected to be provided for by the family. It wasn’t until recently we excepted the state to start doing this.

You talk a lot about collective care for individuals in society, but with that care came expectations and social requirements. You weren’t allowed to be a dead beat dad. You weren’t allowed to be lazy and still reap the benefits of everyone else. If you were a societal leach, you were dealt with and, ultimately, expelled to fend for yourself.

Collective care works when there is a shared foundation of morals, principals, and agreed upon acceptable behaviors.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:26 pm to
What if the family is unable to give sufficient help? A person born with some degenerative disease that requires 24 hour care and lots of money?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:28 pm to
Then the neighbors, extended family, and ultimately charities have always served that role.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 12:32 pm to
And if they don’t?
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