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re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:14 pm to Festus
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:14 pm to Festus
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Yeah, I'll pass along to Sports Illustrated that boom roasted from tigerdoppings wouldn't put him on that list. I'm sure they'll immediately reconsider and replace him with someone that fits your standards.
No offense to that list but they also have Tiger Woods listed 40 places higher than Lebron James.
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:14 pm to DanTiger
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A SI opinion piece does not make it fact.
No, DanTiger saying this:
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he was an ACTOR and not an athlete!!!
makes it fact.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:14 pm to Festus
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Good grief. You don't even know how these rankings work, do you? It's not one writer. It's made up of votes cast by a vast array of sports journalists.
I didn't bother to read, if there was a link, because it was obvious nonsense. How can someone who does not compete make a top 15 athlete list.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:14 pm to Festus
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Good grief. You don't even know how these rankings work, do you? It's not one writer. It's made up of votes cast by a vast array of sports journalists.
This is the wrong thread for any sort of rational argument.
Either Bruce Lee is an actor/dry cleaner, or Tyson is an immobile grandfather. No middle ground.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:15 pm to Festus
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makes it fact.
That actually is a fact.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:15 pm to Ace Midnight
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Either Bruce Lee is an actor/dry cleaner, or Tyson is an immobile grandfather. No middle ground.
This we can agree on. I don't think Tyson is a god I just don't think this is a comparable fight.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:17 pm to fisherbm1112
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No offense to that list but they also have Tiger Woods listed 40 places higher than Lebron James.
I'm not saying the list is necessarily accurate. But would you agree that him being named to the list is at least proof that he was an ATHLETE, as opposed to the claim that DanTiger made saying he was not even an athlete by definition, but merely an actor? I mean, you guys that are pro-Tyson, can you not even acknowledge that Bruce Lee was an athlete?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:19 pm to Festus
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I'm not saying the list is necessarily accurate. But would you agree that him being named to the list is at least proof that he was an ATHLETE, as opposed to the claim that DanTiger made saying he was not even an athlete by definition, but merely an actor? I mean, you guys that are pro-Tyson, can you not even acknowledge that Bruce Lee was an athlete?
oh 100%. I never in this thread have said he wasn't an athlete. Just because there is no competition doesn't mean he isn't a bad mofo I just don't think it would be real easy to beat Tyson. I completely agree that he garnishes the athlete tab along with many other accolades.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:19 pm to Tiger1242
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Bruce Lee would be smart enough to not participate in this fight
I think this is correct, the pro Lee argument doesn't include many facts about him actually fighting anyone for real.
I've seen what Tyson can do, and it frightens me. Give me Tyson.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:20 pm to Festus
quote:Never said he wasn't an athlete.
I mean, you guys that are pro-Tyson, can you not even acknowledge that Bruce Lee was an athlete?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:20 pm to fisherbm1112
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I don't think Tyson is a god I just don't think this is a comparable fight.
Comparable to what?
Tyson couldn't even street fight properly after he turned professional - he broke his hand hitting Mitch "Blood" Green in Harlem. (Gloves protect a professional's hands, not his opponent's face/body - that's a myth. Amateur gloves are heavy and padded enough to take the edge off - professional gloves are just enough to allow you to punch with maximum force.)
He also bragged that the best punch he ever landed was in his bedroom, and his wife was the recipient.
Again - IRL, no holds barred, I take Bruce Lee at his peak over Tyson at his peak, but it would be close.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:21 pm to Festus
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I'm not saying the list is necessarily accurate. But would you agree that him being named to the list is at least proof that he was an ATHLETE, as opposed to the claim that DanTiger made saying he was not even an athlete by definition, but merely an actor? I mean, you guys that are pro-Tyson, can you not even acknowledge that Bruce Lee was an athlete?
I cannot believe how passionate you are on this issue. I will grant you that Lee was likely in a little better shape thn the guy that teaches your kid at the local dojo. He did not do any HIIT training to elevate his heart rate and be able to function at his anerobic max round after round with only 30 seconds to a minute to recover so I think he would have a VERY hard time going against any trained fighter in any weight class.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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Comparable to what?
Tyson couldn't even street fight properly after he turned professional - he broke his hand hitting Mitch "Blood" Green in Harlem. (Gloves protect a professional's hands, not his opponent's face/body - that's a myth. Amateur gloves are heavy and padded enough to take the edge off - professional gloves are just enough to allow you to punch with maximum force.)
He also bragged that the best punch he ever landed was in his bedroom, and his wife was the recipient.
Again - IRL, no holds barred, I take Bruce Lee at his peak over Tyson at his peak, but it would be close.
You take that. I'll take the hundred lbs, strength gains, multiple knockouts, experience, and ruthless mentality.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:23 pm to fisherbm1112
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oh 100%. I never in this thread have said he wasn't an athlete. Just because there is no competition doesn't mean he isn't a bad mofo I just don't think it would be real easy to beat Tyson. I completely agree that he garnishes the athlete tab along with many other accolades.
Yeah, I have no real opinion on who would win because I truly don't know enough about how everything would play out. My only entry here was responding to the statement that Lee was not even an athlete. That's the only reason I cited the list. It flabbergasts me that people would think he was merely an actor, and not an athlete at all.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:24 pm to DanTiger
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He did not do any HIIT training to elevate his heart rate and be able to function at his anerobic max round after round with only 30 seconds to a minute to recover so I think he would have a VERY hard time going against any trained fighter in any weight class.
He was an amateur boxer as a teen. As an adult, he included a whole variety of cardiovascular training, cycling, running (with speed work), shadow boxing, sparring, etc. To suggest he was not training precisely for combat is silly. It was all he did.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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Comparable to what?
Strength, size, stats, legend, lore, respective fields.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:25 pm to Festus
quote:No one knows how everything would play out. It's purely hypothetical and it will remain that way. Who would you take?
I have no real opinion on who would win because I truly don't know enough about how everything would play out.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:26 pm to DanTiger
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I cannot believe how passionate you are on this issue.
nice, deflect
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I will grant you that Lee was likely in a little better shape thn the guy that teaches your kid at the local dojo. He did not do any HIIT training to elevate his heart rate and be able to function at his anerobic max round after round with only 30 seconds to a minute to recover so I think he would have a VERY hard time going against any trained fighter in any weight class.
And continue to argue he wasn't an athlete
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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To suggest he was not training precisely for combat is silly
Training and fighting are two different animals. Ask a soldier how training was compared to live combat.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:28 pm to fisherbm1112
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I'll take the hundred lbs
So, there are hundreds of people in the US who weigh 500 pounds or more. So, that means they could break off their rascal scooter in Bruce Lee's (or Tyson's, for that matter) arse?
Of course not. I've not ignored the weight/strength differential in this debate. Let's not pretend it is kryptonite in a real world fight - otherwise all we would do is weigh the guys.
The speed differential is very, very important in a real world fight, as is getting in the first few strikes - in Lee's case, they would likely strike vital/crippling areas. Maybe he gets trapped and grappled (again, Tyson with the size/strength advantage here), maybe he injures a limb - dramatically increasing his chances for victory. This seems completely ignored by the Tyson people.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 1:30 pm
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