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re: Serious question, death penalty?

Posted on 5/18/18 at 6:22 pm to
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 6:22 pm to
Washington it's lethal injection, unless the inmate requests hanging. The last hanging to take place was January 25, 1996 in Delaware.
Posted by messyjesse
Member since Nov 2015
2319 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 6:41 pm to
What would happen if a judge just straight up said "Yep, you're guilty, no reason to keep you around, officers, take him out back and put two bullets in his head right now."
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
7560 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 6:43 pm to
I’m ok with getting rid of capital punishment if we make the penalty for murder (homicide other than self defense or accidental) a mandatory life sentence. Parole boards should be abolished. You do the crime then you do the FULL time. Judges should have no say as to the sentences. Prison sentences should set by the legislature with fixed terms (no ranges), and should be enforced immediately after the person’s guilt has been established.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 6:56 pm to
I am for the death penalty in principle.

The problem is the long and documented history of corrupt police officers and prosecutors railroading innocent people.
Posted by grape nutz
sesame street
Member since Mar 2006
4018 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 6:59 pm to
Yep and oddly enough eye witness accounts are wrong more often than logic dictates.

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Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses. 
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 7:00 pm
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:00 pm to
It would be a violation of due process. Some people think that they can ignore due process when it suits their whims. Other people have integrity.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33866 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:11 pm to
I'm with you on that, but what about the clear cut cases like the murder is on video?

That should be instant. Take em out back and just bury them.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:11 pm to
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The problem is the long and documented history of corrupt police officers and prosecutors railroading innocent people.




It's not even that. I mean that is horrible, but it's not even the largest part of the story. It's more so the fallible nature of humans and human institutions. Even if you assume the best of intentions, which can frequently be a stretch, humans are fallible and will make mistakes. "Never attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence."

When someone says that they support the death penalty as an institution what they are saying is that they think that a vengeful concept of justice is so important to them that they are willing to sacrifice innocent lives for it. Because it is inevitable and completely unavoidable, just from an observation of statistical inference, that such policy will inevitably kill innocent people if you even open the door to it in any way whatsoever.

The "only sure thing" people are ignoring the very point of the argument that mistakes inevitably occur even when people think they are completely sure. That's how we got in the position that we currently are in. People think they are already only doing sure things, and they are still fricking up in the most egregious way possible. They are irrationally following injustice with even greater injustice for nothing more than the sake of emotional satisfaction.
Posted by GeauxOCDP
Member since Jul 2015
1067 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:31 pm to
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Because our prison system is for-profit and the powers that be want to squeeze every last tax payer dime out of a prisoner before executing them. 

That's why it takes 15 years to execute someone even after appeals are finished. That's why we use expensive proprietary drugs instead of something cheap like gallows, guillotine, firing squad, etc. 

Follow the money.



THIS TRANSMISSION WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY INFOWARS


Of all things, you think the private prison system, which requires a certain capacity to be filled, is a conspiracy theory...??? Private prisons are tax dollar farms. Fact.
Posted by bigrob385series
B. Aura
Member since May 2014
2636 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:59 pm to
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That's why we use expensive proprietary drugs 
frick all that...a mixture of heroin and bleach is cheap and would do just fine.
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