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re: OT Historians - Where Was Japan Getting Their Oil from During WWII?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:37 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:37 pm to Darth_Vader
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You have literally denied the Holocaust on this board. It’s really sad that you find this funny.
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What? I’ve denied the Holocaust on this board?
I’ll tell you what. Let’s make a bet. A ban bet. You show me one instance of me saying anything close to resemblance to denying the Holocaust even once on this board, and I’ll never post again on the OT. But if you can’t find where I’ve ever denied the Holocaust, you must exile yourself from the OT in perpetuity.
Do we have a bet?
I don’t want my post to get lost at the bottom of the last page so I’ll quote it here.
Do we have a bet?
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 10:38 pm
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:42 pm to BeepNode
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lol you realize Russia won the war for us, right? By "us", I mean the rest of Europe.
Again, what? The reasons for why the Germans attacked the USSR had to do with an idea developed during the last few decades of Imperial Germany, a concept called Lebensraum. In fact, one of the reasons that German nationalists saw German expansion as necessary was that Germany was at the behest of stronger powers, which cut off resources from Germany proper during WWI.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:48 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:I already did.
He can’t post a legit link because it doesn’t exist.
quote:The USSR couldn't transport crude from Sakalin Island to its refineries in the west. There were no pipelines for it and transport by ship was out because of German U-boat attacks from the Indian Ocean all the way to the Baltic Sea. Japan could transport whatever crude they extracted on Sakhalin Island by ship transports.
1. Russia needed all the oil it could produce.
quote:I didn't say they sold the oil to Japan. They allowed Japan to mine the crude from their territory on Sakhalin. It was part of the Neutrality Agreement the Soviets signed with Japan in April, 1941. The Soviets needed Japan off of their eastern flank militarily so Stalin could focus on Germany which he already suspected was going to attack the USSR later that year or early the next.
They’d never risk the flow of supplies from the US to sell oil to Japan.
quote:So, what?!? The Neutrality Pact was signed in April, 1941. Whatever hostilities happened between Japan and the USSR prior to that are moot.
3. Between 1932 and 1939, the Soviets and Japan had a series of border clashes in Manchuria culminating in a massive battle in 1939.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:48 pm to CornbreadFed
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You have literally denied the Holocaust on this board. It’s really sad that you find this funny.
I see the stupid little shite stain logged off as soon as I challenged him to a ban bet on the truth of this accusation.
What a piece of shite.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:48 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:97% of all aviation fuel for the US in WWII came from Baton Rouge according to LSU Professor Mark T. Carleton.
Pretty much all of the Allies oil and refined products came from the US.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:51 pm to crazy4lsu
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Again, what? The reasons for why the Germans attacked the USSR had to do with an idea developed during the last few decades of Imperial Germany, a concept called Lebensraum.
People can rationalize it all they want but it was oil and other natural resources. Russia has no oil they don't get invaded. It's that simple.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:55 pm to BeepNode
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People can rationalize it all they want but it was oil and other natural resources. Russia has no oil they don't get invaded. It's that simple.
Oil was one of many natural resources the Germans wanted. But it was not the deciding factor. In fact, as has already been pointed out, the main driving factor more than anything else was the concept of Lebensraum. Hitler made this clear as early as 1925 in Mein Kampf.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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But it was not the deciding factor. In fact, as has already been pointed out, the main driving factor more than anything else was the concept of Lebensraum.
Bless your sweet heart. Do you also think invasions of Iraq were about freedom and liberation?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:01 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Now I know it's useless to discuss this topic further with you. Look at the date on the upper left hand side of the pie chart, "1940."
Notice how it doesn’t list the USSR as a source of oil for Japan?
Then remember when Japan entered WWII against the USA, "December, 1941."
That graph's data does not apply to the war years against the U.S.
And you claim to be a historian???
And, I already said the amount of crude Japan extracted from Sakhalin was small. But it happened.
Through the years on TigerDroppings I don't think I've ever had much interaction with you. All I knew about you was based on the toy planes and tanks you post photos of and what I've read from other posters and their opinions of you. I now know they're right.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:02 pm to BeepNode
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Bless your sweet heart. Do you also think invasions of Iraq were about freedom and liberation?
Funny remark coming from someone dumb enough to think oil was the deciding factor in Germany invading the Soviet Union. To say oil was the main reason Hitler sent the Wehrmacht into the Soviet Union is to ignore the previous 70 years of German history.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:03 pm to BeepNode
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People can rationalize it all they want but it was oil and other natural resources. Russia has no oil they don't get invaded. It's that simple.
What in the hell are you talking about? Lebensraum as a concept referred to both the possible resources in any occupied area as well as for ‘living space’ for Germans, at the expense of native populations. The German high command made this explicit in their Generalplan Ost.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:04 pm to LSURussian
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Now I know it's useless to discuss this topic further with you. Look at the date on the upper left hand side of the pie chart, "1940." Then remember when Japan entered WWII against the USA, "December, 1941." That graph's data does not apply to the war years against the U.S. And you claim to be a historian??? And, I already said the amount of crude Japan extracted from Sakhalin was small. But it happened. Through the years on TigerDroppings I don't think I've ever had much interaction with you. All I knew about you was based on the toy planes and tanks you post photos of and what I've read from other posters and their opinions of you. I now know they're right.
You claimed the Soviets supplied Japan with oil “throughout the war.” That’s patently false.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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What in the hell are you talking about? Lebensraum as a concept referred to both the possible resources in any occupied area as well as for ‘living space’ for Germans, at the expense of native populations. The German high command made this explicit in their Generalplan Ost.
Again, you can cite whatever you want but those are just convenient narratives of the time - the Nazis do not invade Russia if there is no oil there. It's that simple. It's absolutely myopic and foolish to believe otherwise.
They really wanted the caucuses. They tried to capture Baku and it failed.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:09 pm to BeepNode
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the Nazis do not invade Russia if there is no oil there
You’re making a claim that runs counter to all historic evidence. I’m going to need you to show your work to back up your claim before I view it as anything more than horse shite.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:10 pm to BeepNode
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Again, you can cite whatever you want but those are just convenient narratives of the time
The German war plan is a convenient narrative? Again, what in the hell are you talking about?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:13 pm to crazy4lsu
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The German war plan is a convenient narrative? Again, what in the hell are you talking about?
The reality was that the Nazis were running out of oil and they were invading mostly parts of Russia that had oil.
Do you deny this? You are fed a narrative. I'm pointing out reality and you're having robotic "the vaccines are safe and effective" like responses to it.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:19 pm to Darth_Vader
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Russia was heavily reliant on Lend Lease supplies of a myriad of items from the US.
Did Russia never pay us back for that?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:27 pm to BeepNode
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The reality was that the Nazis were running out of oil and they were invading mostly parts of Russia that had oil.
If that’s the case, there why were the objectives for Operation Barbarossa Leningrad, Moscow, and Ukraine? It wasn’t until 1942 with Operation Blue that the Germans first made plans to go after the Soviet oil fields in the Caucuses.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:35 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Prove it.
You claimed the Soviets supplied Japan with oil “throughout the war.” That’s patently false.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:50 pm to CornbreadFed
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You literally can’t refute the claim. Typical Holocaust denier at its best.
I can and I am refuting your bullshite claim. In fact, I categorically refute your claim and call you a piece of shite liar.
Take the bet, bitch.
You provide proof I have denied the Holocaust I’ll leave the OT forever.
Or
You can’t find where I’ve denied the Holocaust and you leave the OT forever.
Put up or shut up, bitch. Do we have a bet?
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