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re: Optometry: LA HB 1065/SB 568: What if your Louisiana Eye Surgeon is NOT an MD?

Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:49 pm to
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25348 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:49 pm to
They just don't get it.

We are big overpaid doctors that don't deserve the money we earn for all the easy work we do.


Until they or their family are the ones in need.
Posted by jamarkus
Nola
Member since Oct 2007
185 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:53 pm to
Put your money where your mouth is- if you really have a problem or need surgery - please go to your local optom or NPor PA & let them fix you -& when there's a complication-let them handle it. You may not end up seeing too well or may even lose a limb but it will be cheap & convenient
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 11:55 pm
Posted by oilmanNO
Member since Oct 2009
2874 posts
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:59 pm to
John Alario didn't push this through. Get off your high horse.
This post was edited on 5/26/14 at 12:00 am
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:12 am to
It ain't over til the Brown-educated former pre-med student sings. I don't believe that deep in his heart, Bobby Jindal believes a nonMD is qualified to do your eye surgery by shooting holes in the eye with a laser.

Plus can u imagine him trying to explain/justify this in a presidential debate when the topic of healthcare inevitably comes up?
Posted by Traffic Circle
Down the Rabbit Hole
Member since Nov 2013
4892 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:54 am to
quote:

It ain't over til the Brown-educated former pre-med student sings. I don't believe that deep in his heart, Bobby Jindal believes a nonMD is qualified to do your eye surgery by shooting holes in the eye with a laser.

He didn't do medical school. Time for some evening up.

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Plus can u imagine him trying to explain/justify this in a presidential debate when the topic of healthcare inevitably comes up?

Just trying to keep the costs down and the quality up.

Ain't no political thang. But, get 100,000 Optometrists on your side by helping them to be eye surgeons, and you got a nationwide machine.

Bobby going to sign and reap the benefits .... Book it.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:06 am to
Quality up?
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:07 am to
Where you gonna find 100K optometrists?
There's 450 in LA.
450x50 = 22.5K
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:09 am to
And you keep missing the fact that the cost won't be down.

It's

the

same

charge

for 4 years

vs.

8+ years

Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:15 am to
What benefit could he possibly reap from this, besides getting to claim that he cut a deal with a Democrat to allow non-physicians to use lasers to surgically alter Louisianian's eyeballs without going to medical school?
This post was edited on 5/26/14 at 1:31 am
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:50 am to
quote:

Put your money where your mouth is- if you really have a problem or need surgery - please go to your local optom or NPor PA & let them fix you -& when there's a complication-let them handle it. You may not end up seeing too well or may even lose a limb but it will be cheap & convenient


If it were only as simple as just going to a MD and having no worries. Studies published in JAMA and other peer reviewed journals show the diagnostic accuracy of physicians in general to be dismal, and unless a person knows how to research their provider and facility, the risk of complications and errors is a crapshoot. I have had many discussions over dinner with physicians in my family concerning major screw-ups by other physicians, and which ones to avoid at all cost.
Posted by Traffic Circle
Down the Rabbit Hole
Member since Nov 2013
4892 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 6:43 am to
I think the bottom line is that the Opthamologists that were starting to get a little cheesy advertising LASIK and Cataract surgery are about to get a little competition.
Posted by oilmanNO
Member since Oct 2009
2874 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 6:50 am to
Optometrist can't do LASIK even after this bill
Posted by oilmanNO
Member since Oct 2009
2874 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 6:51 am to
Whose alter are you?
This post was edited on 5/26/14 at 6:52 am
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
13890 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 7:06 am to
quote:

I think the bottom line is that the Opthamologists that were starting to get a little cheesy advertising LASIK and Cataract surgery are about to get a little competition.





I'd take a cheesy opthamologist doing surgery on my eye over an optometrist doing surgery on my eye ANY DAY.
This post was edited on 5/26/14 at 7:07 am
Posted by Traffic Circle
Down the Rabbit Hole
Member since Nov 2013
4892 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 7:58 am to
quote:

Whose alter are you?

I am no alter, not even in the medical field. The turf war fascinates me. And the MDs who pretend to be all that and are now threatened, are interesting to see squirm over this interesting development.
Posted by oilmanNO
Member since Oct 2009
2874 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 8:02 am to
Not in the medical field? Color me shocked!
Posted by tigerjjs
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
1366 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 8:26 am to
Tigerdoc, seems to me the charge for these procedures would drop over time if ODs start to perform them in significant numbers. Medicare and Insurance cos. will cut their reimbursement as they have done for NPs who practice independently. Also, has there been discussion on malpractice rates rising for the ODs who perform these procedures? Not arguing, just want your opinion.
Posted by Traffic Circle
Down the Rabbit Hole
Member since Nov 2013
4892 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 8:34 am to
Seems like costs would drop too.

But, there a whole lot of butthurt MDs who see some salary drops too. And they will throw up all kinds of reason why that can't happen.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 7:10 pm to
Where's this all end?
Why would any group want to treat ONLY a post-operative condition s/p cataract surgery and 2 glaucoma procedures plus treat lid lesions?

All i can guess is that it's a push to get some so that you can come back again and take more.

There's a way to treat glaucoma, cataracts, and lid lesions.
It's called being a Medical Doctor and finishing an Ophthalmology Residency Program. The Match company takes applications from anybody who wants to pay the money to apply to the programs and med schools do the same.

If we split up the whole body and have people who just learned about that part take care of it, then where do we end up?

The thing about specialties in medicine is that you've already mastered a base knowledge about the whole inter-twined, inter-related human.

To just pick the body apart and claim you can be an expert in it is ignorant. If we follow this model as a state, we are going to end up with a system of treating and caring for people that has many mistakes and misdiagnoses.

Somebody earlier posted something to the extent they think there can be missteps when treated by an MD. Can you imagine if all your healthcare was performed by providers who never went to all the med school classes in the first place? Yeah people can miss stuff and the practice of medicine is not always 100%, but where are we going as a society if we don't even have our care provided by people who passed all the standard tests to complete the schooling?
This post was edited on 5/26/14 at 7:13 pm
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:15 pm to
LINK

"Optometrists would also be authorized to perform surgical “primary care” procedures with local anesthetic and diagnose and treat conditions with “ocular manifestations,” which could include diabetes and high blood pressure."





Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like cancer and AIDs and chicken pox and migraines and brain tumors could have "ocular manifestations".




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