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re: O-T weathermen - how good are we at predicting tsunami waves?
Posted on 7/30/25 at 10:10 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 7/30/25 at 10:10 am to LSUFanHouston
I would say in open deep water environments we are really good and can do it really fast (minutes for an entire ocean in a high performance computing environment). U.S. Navy has an ADCIRC model (Google it) for entire oceans for operational forecasting that is very, very accurate worldwide.
The problem comes in when you have to transform waves from deep to shallow water as they shoal and diffract. You have to have more resolution in the models to capture how waves interact with complex coastal geographies and the built environment like seawalls, jetties, etc. to get an accurate depictions of how high water may run up on a coast, but those complexities are sortof whitewashed with very conservative factors of safety (overestimates) anyway to get people out the way.
I wouldnt be surprised if people have thrown millions of pre-baked, pre-run scenarios at AI/ML to speed up the forecasting from a surrogate model in real time.
Long story short, I would say very fast, likely as fast or faster than the wave travel speed in these emergency situations. if there is a real-time forecasting center already set up. The problem becomes more of the speed at which humans can digest the computer outputs and effectively disemninate the information people need to outpace the wave.
The problem comes in when you have to transform waves from deep to shallow water as they shoal and diffract. You have to have more resolution in the models to capture how waves interact with complex coastal geographies and the built environment like seawalls, jetties, etc. to get an accurate depictions of how high water may run up on a coast, but those complexities are sortof whitewashed with very conservative factors of safety (overestimates) anyway to get people out the way.
I wouldnt be surprised if people have thrown millions of pre-baked, pre-run scenarios at AI/ML to speed up the forecasting from a surrogate model in real time.
Long story short, I would say very fast, likely as fast or faster than the wave travel speed in these emergency situations. if there is a real-time forecasting center already set up. The problem becomes more of the speed at which humans can digest the computer outputs and effectively disemninate the information people need to outpace the wave.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 10:11 am
Posted on 7/30/25 at 10:14 am to LSUFanHouston
NOAA and the U.S. Geological Survey aren't equipped to rapidly disseminate wide scale warnings to the general public. They pass them on to the NWS who are equipped to do that. NOAA's Pacific Tsunami buoy monitor network, expanded after the Indonesian quake and tsunami in 2004, assist quite a bit.
Tsunami intensity is a function of the type of geological fault cause, slip strike faults or reverse thrust, etc. The geologists and geophysicists will figure it out fairly quickly, or already know. The Indonesian quake was a massive, rapid vertical displacement of the seabed. Water being incompressible has to go somewhere, thus tsunamis.
Graphic below shows the logarithmic intensity of the Richter scale used to classify earthquakes. This quake at 8.8 magnitude is significant, perhaps top 10 all time.
Tsunami intensity is a function of the type of geological fault cause, slip strike faults or reverse thrust, etc. The geologists and geophysicists will figure it out fairly quickly, or already know. The Indonesian quake was a massive, rapid vertical displacement of the seabed. Water being incompressible has to go somewhere, thus tsunamis.
Graphic below shows the logarithmic intensity of the Richter scale used to classify earthquakes. This quake at 8.8 magnitude is significant, perhaps top 10 all time.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 10:17 am to LSUFanHouston
I feel like if there’s a chance o’ tsunami, I don’t really care to take chances. I’m outta there.
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