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re: NDE Near Death Experience

Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:14 pm to
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think it’s more descriptive and. more accurate that there are stages of dying. When you’re dead, that’s the final stage.


You came in here speaking in absolutes when you have no more proof than anyone else.

I used to think like you too.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:23 pm to
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Personal testimony is accepted as evidence in a court of law.


That’s a generalization. What you’re referencing is eye witness testimony about an observation of something physical. NDE’s are generated by the brain. They are thoughts, not physical entities.

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There is your evidence


Sorry, no.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:24 pm to
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There’s no more reason to include deities for the big mysteries than the everyday mysteries because we don’t know they exist.


Do you realize that you are ignoring all the evidence and logic included within this discussion while providing no evidence or logic of your own to support your position? That is all fine but you must admit that without evidence or logic, your belief there is no God is based purely on faith and desire while ignoring evidence and logic? OK by me if OK by you.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:25 pm to
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NDE’s are generated by the brain. They are thoughts, not physical entities.


Maybe. Maybe not.

Thanks for your opinion.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:26 pm to
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That’s a generalization. What you’re referencing is eye witness testimony about an observation of something physical. NDE’s are generated by the brain. They are thoughts, not physical entities.


Prove that would you.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:31 pm to
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There’s no more reason to include deities for the big mysteries than the everyday mysteries because we don’t know they exist.


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Do you realize that you are ignoring all the evidence and logic included within this discussion while providing no evidence or logic of your own to support your position? That is all fine but you must admit that without evidence or logic, your belief there is no God is based purely on faith and desire while ignoring evidence and logic? OK by me if OK by you.


This is not from my posts. You should address the correst poster.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:34 pm to
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You came in here speaking in absolutes when you have no more proof than anyone else.


Proof of what? That death, being dead, is an absolute. It’s self-explanatory. No proof from me is needed.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:34 pm to
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This is not from my posts. You should address the correst poster.


My mistake. Should be addressed to Globetrotter.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:38 pm to
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Well, we’ve finally settled a debate that’s raged on the OT for six years. Glad that’s settled.




Really? Just think of who has been questioning you. Do you REALLY think they will quit? Silly feller
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:39 pm to
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Thanks for your opinion.


It’s more than my opinion. The brain is a physical organ. Within it processes occur. Some of them are recorded as memories. Another process is consciousness. The brain must be alive for any of its processes to continue.

The mind is not separate from the brain. It’s just a synonym for the brain.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:40 pm to
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The mind is not separate from the brain. It’s just a synonym for the brain.


Prove that would you.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:42 pm to
My childhood best friend died. We used to speak daily. We were young and in a goofy childlike manner promised each other if one dies before the other. We would find a way---- to tell the other what it was like.

She was killed instantly by a drunk-driver that did no jail time Long story.... My grief was like half of myself died. I had a dream that I can remember small details of many years later. She showed me as pure of heaven in peace as an earthly soul can experience.

I have never grieved her death since. I also have precognition in many forms; and have been in at least 3 near death experiences and was helped by an angel in human form.

Details are not for this forum as they are personal and it is mostly trolls here.

Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:43 pm to
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Prove that would you.


How can I be more clear in saying that the brain is a physical organ in which thought processes occur?

The proof is within your own skull. You are awake and your brain is generating thoughts.

Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:47 pm to
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How can I be more clear in saying that the brain is a physical organ in which thought processes occur?

The proof is within your own skull. You are awake and your brain is generating thoughts


I say prove it because it can't be proved. Both the dualist and the materialist theories match what can be deduced from examination of the brain-mind connection. Either could be true but we are unable to determine which is true. Of course, the NDE is strong evidence supporting the dualist theory.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:57 pm to
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I say prove it because it can't be proved. Both the dualist and the materialist theories match what can be deduced from examination of the brain-mind connection. Either could be true but we are unable to determine which is true. Of course, the NDE is strong evidence supporting the dualist theory.


Well, I understand now. You subscribe to religion and philosophy. I don’t.

I put my trust in the pursuit of answers in science only. I don’t have any beliefs in anything because to believe means to accept something without having any physical evidence.

We could continue to converse but I think our differences would only pile up. I respect your right to pursue life any way that you want that doesn’t harm others. I hope the feeling is mutual.
Posted by notbilly
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 4:07 pm to
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Tell us what model truck you had.


F150
Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 4:10 pm to
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The brain is a physical organ.


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The mind is not separate from the brain


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It’s just a synonym for the brain.


Transitive property?

So the mind is a physical organ?
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 12/10/22 at 4:13 pm to
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I put my trust in the pursuit of answers in science only. I don’t have any beliefs in anything because to believe means to accept something without having any physical evidence.


I have multiple degrees in science and very analytical mind. Science is limited to the material world due to the scientific method. Scientific method is unable to enter the subjective experience. Yet, the subjective is the mass of our experience of existence w/i this universe.

Science is very good at what it does but its severely limited because it can't enter the subjective experience. Science has no opinion on God and should not. And IMO, it is a mistake to limit ones perspective only to the scientific world and reject the subjective experience. Sort of like eating only eating vanilla ice cream and refusing to even taste chocolate or strawberry ice cream. They all contribute to our understanding of existence. IMO.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 4:20 pm
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 4:23 pm to
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I don’t have any beliefs in anything because to believe means to accept something without having any physical evidence


Do you not believe that gravity exists?
Posted by windmill
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 4:24 pm to
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