re: NDE Near Death Experience

Mental illness is indisputably real. Hallucinations are indisputably real. Lies and hoaxes are indisputably real. Honest mistakes and human fallibility are indisputably real. Mind altering drugs are indisputably real. The fear of death and the common desire to exist beyond it is indisputably real. Experiences being shaped by bias and culture is indisputably real.

A supposed first century messiah figure running around pulling people into an afterlife is not indisputably real.

People love to believe in bizarre and amazing things, but the truth is usually mundane.

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So what was the first cause that created our universe?

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There was a life-creating huge explosion with elements that just happened to inexplicably always exist.

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So what was the first cause that created our universe?

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I don’t know.

But someone in 2022 wondering about the mysterious origins of the Universe is about like some prehistoric man wondering what caused thunder and lightning and believing those phenomena were created by a deity. We know better now, and future generations will know more than we do. They will chuckle at our ignorance in some areas like we do past generations.

People are extremely impatient and have this burning desire for all the answers to the Universe “right now” (even if it requires a supernatural catalyst) when the history of science has shown us that natural explanations to complex questions usually come in time.

And if they don’t? That’s okay too. Cows will never know why it rains, but the explanation is still natural. Similarly, maybe some things will remain beyond us. Our inability to answer something doesn’t make the cause supernatural.

What I do know is there’s a bazillion natural explanations for things that happen in the physical world - many of which have only been realized in the last couple of centuries - and not one single verifiable supernatural explanation involving deities, ghosts, or whatever.

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What I do know is there’s a bazillion natural explanations for things that happen in the physical world - many of which have only been realized in the last couple of centuries - and not one single verifiable supernatural explanation involving deities, ghosts, or whatever.

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There are all sorts of things that happen within the universe but what created this physical, cause and effect universe as a materialist would see this universe? That is a very important question if someone wishes to definitely rule out a God. Without disputing and dismissing an argument which logically leads to a God, then it seems very awkward to claim there is no God.

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anybody have a good video link of the Neurosurgeon that had a NDE?

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Dr Eben Alexander NDE:


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It is clear from NDEs that the soul/spirit can detach from the body during the clinical death phase. And can re-attach if the body is revived.

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There is no evidence that a soul/spirit exists.

I had remembered. Thanks.

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working to keep me alive.

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Exactly. I think it’s confusing to label a stage of dying as death. As long as the body is in a state that can remain revivable it is not dead.

Also, losing consciousness is not death despite what Edgar Allen Poe thought. Otherwise we die every time we go to sleep.

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Nov 21, 2016. I was in the CICU at Grandview Hospital in Hoover, AL. I was seven days past open-heart surgery to replace my faulty mitral valve with a mechanical mitral valve. One of the things about having a mechanical valve is you have to go on blood thinner ASAP to prevent blood from clotting on the valve. The only blood thinner you can take though is Coumadin. When you first go on Coumadin they cannot tell how much to give you. Well, they gave my far too much . What happened is my blood was so thin I began bleeding from the sutures in my heart. I was bleeding out into my chest cavity. The bleeding got to the point it filled my chest cavity with blood and my heart could not beat. It stopped my heart. I coded. They rushed me to surgery. First they cut open my abdomen because they thought my intestines had “died”. Then they cracked my chest back open and discovered the real issue. They cut a “window” in the sac around my heart to allow that blood to drain, reinserted the drain tubes in my chest (they’d been removed a few days before), and gave me enough blood transfusions to get me going again. Basically, I’d bled out by the time my heart had stopped. How long I was gone, I still don’t know. I know my heart stopped sometime that night after about 6 PM. It did not beat on its own until they did the surgery.

I personality have no memory of any of it. The last thing I remember was when the nurses made me get out of my recliner to get back in the bed. That was around 5:30 - 6:00 PM. Everything after that until about 1:00 AM when I woke up in the bed on a ventilator is a complete blank. I didn’t even know how serious the situation was until later that morning when all the team of doctors and surgeons came during morning rounds to check on me. I remember the surgeon who opened up my abdomen was the one who said something that clued me in. He said “you look a lot better this morning. Of course the last time I saw you though, you were dead”.

(I know this story will trigger some, especially the troll TigerShit08 and the worthless junky felon SS. But I honestly don’t give a shite about either of them. Everything I’ve said is true. The fact they can’t accept it is their problem.)

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So glad you made it.

It is interesting to me overall regarding NDE's. As most drugs given for surgery leave you with no memory. So how some remember and some not is fascinating.

Maybe anesthesiologists can explain the protocols of medications for surgeries-over the years? And or the combo of IV meds given to, let's say... a burn patient to go into a coma.

Just ignore the trolls.

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That is a very important question if someone wishes to definitely rule out a God.

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There’s no more reason to include deities for the big mysteries than the everyday mysteries because we don’t know they exist.

It’s okay to not know something today, push to understand it as best we can, and then pass the baton to the next generation. That’s worked a hell of a lot better than “God did it,” which accounts for zero facts but several biblical reinterpretations.