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Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:01 pm to buckeye_vol
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If it was a spelling assignment then shouldn't his grade be a 98.7? That means each correctly written word is worth +1.25 points but each incorrectly spelled words is with -10 points
The assignment wasn't to write a certain amount of words was it? It sounds like each kid may have had a different amount of words used. The teacher did not weight the grade based on a per word basis.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:10 pm to sandwolf
quote:Well according to the national norms from Aimsweb (Norms), one of the largest and most comprehensive sets of curriculum-based measurments, the average ninth grader (50th percentile) given a 3 minute written prompt, will write 60 total words and correctly spell 55.
No. All words aren't the same. There were probably only 10 words out of the 80 that anyone that isn't a simpleton might misspell. So it is probably weighted about right.
Obviously the task demands are different, but this shows how unnecessarily punitive the spelling errors were.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:11 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well according to the national norms from Aimsweb Norms, one of the largest and most comprehensive sets of curriculum-based measurments, the average ninth grader (50th percentile) given a 3 minute written prompt, will write 60 total words and correctly spell 55.
Obviously the task demands are different, but this shows how unnecessarily punitive the spelling errors were.
Yea, but the average person is an idiot, so do you really want that to be the bar we strive to?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:12 pm to DCtiger1
quote:Well then basic probability indicates that the more words one writes, the greater the likelihood of an error.
The assignment wasn't to write a certain amount of words was it? It sounds like each kid may have had a different amount of words used. The teacher did not weight the grade based on a per word basis.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:14 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well then basic probability indicates that the more words one writes, the greater the likelihood of an error.
The kid is in school to learn how to write correctly. Why are you trying to make excuses for writing incorrectly? Sure in the business world there is not much consequence to a simple error most times, but the whole point of the assignment is to teach proper writing.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:15 pm to buckeye_vol
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the average ninth grader (50th percentile) given a 3 minute written prompt, will write 60 total words and correctly spell 55.
That is incredibly embarrassing. It sounds like we need more 7th grade teachers like the one mentioned in the OP.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:16 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Well the average person is average, but if an average 9th grader would make 5 errors, then a 10 point deduction for each error is not practical, especially considering these are younger students. Besides it was not a final copy. The initial stages of writing are focused on idea generation, not refinement. The teacher is actually reinforcing writing strategies that are counter to cognitive science.
Yea, but the average person is an idiot, so do you really want that to be the bar we strive to?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:18 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well the average person is average
And that means they can't be idiots how?
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but if an average 9th grader would make 5 errors, then a 10 point deduction for each error is not practical
But this is the best kid in the class. Ask the OP, ask the teachers. We aren't talking about averages.
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Besides it was not a final copy. The initial stages of writing are focused on idea generation, not refinement. The teacher is actually reinforcing writing strategies that are counter to cognitive science.
Make more excuses. Please.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:18 pm to sandwolf
quote:It's not incredibly embarrassing for initial story construction. We all probably make errors when initially writing something, then proofread and edit as we refine our writing.
That is incredibly embarrassing. It sounds like we need more 7th grade teachers like the one mentioned in the OP.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:19 pm to buckeye_vol
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It's not incredibly embarrassing for initial story construction.
Stop acting like he was writing a thesis for a master's program.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:23 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:It's the same cognitive process though, and seventh grade is around the time where they are developing the higher-order aspects of this. I mean you can choose to be ignorant of cognitive and educational psychology and call people idiots, but you sound more like those SJWs who ignore objective science and base their views on emotion and feelings.
Stop acting like he was writing a thesis for a master's program.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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It's the same cognitive process though
No it isn't. When you know you're taking a test, you make sure your work is good.
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. I mean you can choose to be ignorant of cognitive and educational psychology and call people idiots, but you sound more like those SJWs who ignore objective science and base their views on emotion and feelings.
I'm the SJW? You're the one making excuses for this kid's shortcomings. I don't think you understand what SJW means.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:28 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I'm not making excuses. I'm just basing my views on the curricular focus of 7th grade, objective data regarding spelling accuracy, and the cognitive science behind written expression and phonological processing.
I'm the SJW? You're the one making excuses for this kid's shortcomings. I don't think you understand what SJW means.
You've resorted to poor analogies, name-calling, while dismissing the illogical nature of such a disproportionate grading scheme.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:31 pm to buckeye_vol
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I'm not making excuses
OK. quote:
I'm just basing my views on the curricular focus of 7th grade
Pretty sure proper spelling is included just about any grade school curriculum.
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objective data regarding spelling accuracy
Code for idiots. 5 words out of 60 spelled improperly when writing a paragraph. That's fricking terrible.
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You've resorted to poor analogies, name-calling, when you clearly give clearly
Super awesome sentence is awesome.
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while dismissing the illogical nature of such a disproportionate grading scheme.
It's not illogical. If anything is illogical, it was your brilliant plan of assigning an equal value to every single word written.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:32 pm to arcalades
Why is this thread 17 pages?
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:34 pm to Walt OReilly
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Why is this thread 17 pages?
Apparently people have very strong opinions on grading techniques of seventh grade teachers.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:37 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Based on what? Your subjective opinion? That's the SJW logic I was referring to. Objective data is not consistent with your views; therefore, rather than self-refecting in your subjective dissonance you resort to calling the vast majority of students idiots. Frankly, a spelling error is less indicative of an "idiot" than flawed logical reasoning.
Code for idiots. 5 words out of 60 spelled improperly when writing a paragraph. That's fricking terrible.
This post was edited on 8/21/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:39 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Well that makes more sense than then equally punishing a student that writes 99 out of 100 words correctly as a student that writes 39 out of 40 correctly.
It's not illogical. If anything is illogical, it was your brilliant plan of assigning an equal value to every single word written.
Posted on 8/21/15 at 2:41 pm to arcalades
Constantly amazed how people bitch about the treatment their child gets in school. Teacher is trying to teach. No one wants their kid corrected, disciplined, etc. How are they supposed to learn? That 10 point deduction sure got everyone's attention didn't it?
My youngest misspelled 2 words on his homework this week. Both words were correctly spelled in his lesson notes sheet. I threw his paper in the trash and made him start over. Think he'll check his spelling next time?
My youngest misspelled 2 words on his homework this week. Both words were correctly spelled in his lesson notes sheet. I threw his paper in the trash and made him start over. Think he'll check his spelling next time?
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