re: Monthly JFK thread - Carlos Marcello

Nah, guy the article's about.

Nailed it. Good post

I don't know. I would have to assume that people on the grassy knoll, Jackie Kennedy, Gov. Connelly and wife, would come out and say they heard a rifle shot in close proximity.

Especially Connelly. he is the Governor of Texas and we must assume he is familiar with rifles. Texas=Guns etc. He would know what they sound like from close and far away.

That's not the way Connally describes it here, in '88:

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He says he heard the first shot, recognized it as a rifle shot, turned around over his right shoulder, saw nothing, was turning back to face forward and was hit in the back. Upon recognizing blood on his shirt he exclaimed "oh my god they're going to kill us all" and then he heard a loud crack and saw Kennedy's head explode. 3 shots, per Connelly. One that missed, one that hit he and Kennedy, one that hit Kennedy in the head.

Also, the "magic bullet" is much less magic than some people make it out to be. The rearmost seat in the Lincoln they were riding in was on an elevated platform. Kennedy was above Connally as well as behind him. So the bullet was able to go down through Kennedy's neck into Connally's back and out into his wrist in essentially a straight line. All this "the bullet had to go up and then back down" stuff is nonsense.

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it seems to me that there is a few seconds of time between Kennedy clutching his throat to Connelly's reaction to getting shot.

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There is a bit of a delayed reaction. Watch that video I linked for Connelly's recollection of it (I think it's about the 6 min mark?). Connelly describes it as a feeling of getting punched in the back. Not extreme pain or anything, more like a force and then a 'WTF?' moment for him. It's not until he glances down and sees blood on his shirtfront a second later that he fully realizes he's been shot.

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The shot is really easy.


If its so easy why did it take more than 1 shot? The evidence is, there was a shot from the front that went through the windshield. It didnt come from the back. All the evidence was tampered with even the Zup film. The Warren Commision is filled with discrepencies.

If Oswald acted alone why did he deny the killing? Someone that just killed the greatest person in this country would surely want the publicity to be the man that did it.

103 people died, some murdered, some suicide, car crashes, mysteriously, and some so called natural deaths. Thats alot of people connected to JFK dead. Eerily similar to the Clinton family friends that all died.

There was a conspiracy. Ruby didnt kill Oswald because it was his patriotic duty. He killed him to cover up the truth. The whole thing was staged like a movie with alot of money to be made.[/quote


So again you reply with conjecture. Please provide a credible link to forensic evidence of a shot going through the windshield from the front. I have researched this a lot, and have never seen that evidence. Also, provide a link to the doctored Zapruder film.

I used to be a conspiracy guy. I get where you're coming from. Do yourself a favor and read Professor McAdams work on the case. He takes the conspiracy theories "bullet points" down 1 at a time. From Ruby, to Ferrie, to Guy Banister, to the magic bullet, and on and on and on.

Oswald did it. Alone.

I've never seen one anti-conspiracy author satisfactorily explain:

A) Oswald's sojourn to and return from Russia: how he learned Russian prior to arriving, how he escaped prosecution for going AWOL or stating he was going to give radar secrets to the Soviets at the height of the cold war, or why, after all that, the State Department would pay for he and his Russian wife to come to the United States.

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B) How George de Mohrenschildt, who Jackie Kennedy called "Uncle George", a well-to-do man with intelligence contacts and who many believe was a sometime intelligence asset, who was a White Russian immigrant, a right-winger politically, who was diametrically opposed to communism, came to be the only friend of poor, outspokenly communist, uneducated Lee Oswald in Dallas.

Outside of any context, neither of these facts about Lee Oswald makes any sense. Which is why anti-conspiracy authors sidestep them or brush them aside.

In the context of Lee being an intelligence asset of some kind, they make perfect sense.

Lee was a COINTELPRO-type spook who was sent to Russia to develop bona fides he could use stateside to infiltrate communist groups or to ensnare fellow travelers in faux communist groups he created. In New Orleans, his handler was Guy Bannister, which is why the New Orleans Fair Play for Cuba Committee, of which Lee was the only enrolled member, had its offices in an address that corresponded to the side-entrance of notorious right-winger Bannister's building. In Dallas, his handler was George de Mohrenschildt, which explains why a well-off White Russian would be the only friend of a down-and-out communist defector.

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I mean, there were so many bizarre connections and meetings going on between people who otherwise had little to no mutual interest, it's hard to just think there was nothing at work.
Mafia/underworld types•communists•anti-Castro Cuban exiles•CIA•politicians, who else?

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They don't have to. You are making an extraordinary claim

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They do have to have some reasonable explanation for the incredibly strange arrangements of Lee's, given the extraordinary event which Lee perpetrated, if they want to be seen as intellectually honest or to present themselves as through and forthright commentators on the subject, which are claims they are making.

It takes outright cognitive dissonance to look at the life of Lee Oswald, murderer of a president of the United States, observe that

A) Lee went AWOL from the Marines and defected to Russia, which was a large enough event to be published in the NYT, somehow learned Russian prior to arriving, escaped prosecution for going AWOL or stating he was going to give radar secrets to the Soviets at the height of the cold war, and, after all that, the State Department paid for he and his Russian wife to come to the United States.

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B) That George de Mohrenschildt, who Jackie Kennedy called "Uncle George", a well-to-do man with intelligence contacts and who many believe was a sometime intelligence asset, who was a White Russian immigrant, a right-winger politically, who was diametrically opposed to communism, came to be Lee's only friend in Dallas - to the point of arranging jobs for him - even though Lee - who was poor, an outspoken communist, and uneducated - was de Mohrenschildt polar opposite socially, economically, and politically

and then just shrug it off as though neither of those incredible circumstances matter or inform upon conclusions we must draw about how and why Lee did these things or had these arrangements made for him.

You can't do that and then call your book "Case Closed". How's the case closed when two huge, fundamental issues that go to the very root of who Lee Oswald was, what his motivations were, and who, if anyone, he was in collusion with were shrugged aside?

We have Marina Oswald on record as saying that when she first met Lee she knew from his accent he wasn't a native Russian speaker from Russia, but initially thought that his Russian was so good that he must have been born in Ukraine or Lithuania and learned Russian as a second language as a child. But officially Lee was a 20 year old 8th grade dropout who enlisted at 17 and attended radar school after basic training before being sent to Japan. For this not to make you say 'hmmm... there's something spooky here', is indicative of cognitive dissonance.

There's some bewildering stuff in his background that conspiracy deniers want to skip over in order to get to the stuff that everyone pretty much agrees on now: that the magic bullet didn't have to take a magic trajectory once you know the layout of the car, that the shot was closer than it appears, that the gun was powerful enough for the job, that the scope was misaligned but that its misalignment actually worked in Oswald's favor by giving him a lead, that it is possible to crank out the shots as quickly as he did... great; I agree, but what about the guy who did it? The communist whose New Orleans office address was the same as a right-wing reactionary, the broke communist whose only friend in Dallas was inexplicably a rich man whose family had fought the communists in Russia, the middle school dropout who had remarkable Russian fluency, supposedly without any formal training, the defector and admitted traitor who declared he was going to share wartime secrets with the enemy but was brought home on his own country's taxpayer's dime and never prosecuted?