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re: Millennials earn 20% less than Boomers did at same stage of life
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:22 pm to CarRamrod
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:22 pm to CarRamrod
They are only unqualified in the sense that the employers are fighting for applicants who don't exist. There is not some massive cohort of people with 3-5 years of relevant experience fighting for an entry level job. They already have one, have been having one, and are probably paid more than they would be willing to offer. They're looking to move up to the next level, not take a sideways move to another entry-level position.
That group can afford to be fickle, because HR departments feel as if they don't need to "train" them. The reality is that they arrive untrained and that they boot for a higher paid opportunity as soon as it comes along, typically long before the company has made a profit on them.
Because few companies are willing to take chances on recent grads, they end up with an unqualified applicant pool. The entry-level is where grads are supposed to go to become qualified. If the entry-level is only taking people who have already worked at the entry level, then there is no true entry level for most to gain that requisite level of experience. It's a snake eating its tail. They're unqualified because they haven't spent 3 years at the entry level, but entry level requires 3 years of entry level experience!
If you can't comprehend how f$&ked up and backwards that is, then you are a moron or work for the government.
That group can afford to be fickle, because HR departments feel as if they don't need to "train" them. The reality is that they arrive untrained and that they boot for a higher paid opportunity as soon as it comes along, typically long before the company has made a profit on them.
Because few companies are willing to take chances on recent grads, they end up with an unqualified applicant pool. The entry-level is where grads are supposed to go to become qualified. If the entry-level is only taking people who have already worked at the entry level, then there is no true entry level for most to gain that requisite level of experience. It's a snake eating its tail. They're unqualified because they haven't spent 3 years at the entry level, but entry level requires 3 years of entry level experience!
If you can't comprehend how f$&ked up and backwards that is, then you are a moron or work for the government.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:24 pm to Deactived
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Nothing can replace physically walking into a business and handing them a resume. People probably dont do that as much anymore
Most businesses don't accept resumes from walk-ins any more. They will throw it in the trash and ask you to leave if you do that. All resumes must go through the online application albatross.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:25 pm to kingbob
Try working for a small firm that doesn't have an HR bureaucracy to get some experience
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:25 pm to CarRamrod
I do so all the time. However, applying to a job you're not qualified for is a waste of time unless you have a connection because your resume gets automatically sorted out.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That's what I did. The problem is that small firms are small.
They don't hire very often. They rarely advertise positions. If they hire interns, they rarely can afford keep them on full time. I thank goodness for them giving me a chance as a student or else I never would have gotten a job later on.
They don't hire very often. They rarely advertise positions. If they hire interns, they rarely can afford keep them on full time. I thank goodness for them giving me a chance as a student or else I never would have gotten a job later on.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:28 pm to kingbob
quote:you keep saying this and every entry level job i just looked up on linkedIn did not have "3-5 years requires" for said entry level job.
There is not some massive cohort of people with 3-5 years of relevant experience fighting for an entry level job.
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If you can't comprehend how f$&ked up and backwards that is, then you are a moron or work for the government.
ok Mr. im looking for work cause im not qualified. Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:29 pm to kingbob
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Most businesses don't accept resumes from walk-ins any more. They will throw it in the trash and ask you to leave if you do that. All resumes must go through the online application albatross.
gosh you love talking out of your arse. Most? how many businesses have you worked for? Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:30 pm to CarRamrod
Oh, me? I'm good. I have a job, but it was a damn odyssey trying to get it. What field of work are you searching for where you're not seeing 3-5 years required listed?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:31 pm to Deactived
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An employer would rather take the clean slate 4.0 student and mold them to what they need.
An employer wants the person with experience.
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Nothing can replace physically walking into a business and handing them a resume. People probably dont do that as much anymor
Wrong. This is exactly the boomer mentality. No. The world does not work this way anymore. Walk in to a large company with a resume for an entry level position, and you're getting turned away and told to apply online. Walking into a business and leaving a resume is not how hiring is done these days.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:31 pm to CarRamrod
How many have you? I've gone door to door before, and I've worked for many businesses. None of them accepted walk ins, large or small.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:35 pm to kingbob
quote:engineering. i just saw one what said 2+ years experience in Microsoft Office. Who the hell went to college and doesnt have 2 years working with Office?
What field of work are you searching for where you're not seeing 3-5 years required listed?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:36 pm to kingbob
I've been lucky to never work for a large company that did the whole online application shite, but it is very common. This comes up a lot in millennial vs. boomer arguments. There are some companies that showing up in person when they explicitly ask for online applicants can hinder your chances. Dad might have gotten his job by showing up at the boss's office every day for 3 weeks to show he wants the job, but do that to a hiring manager who isn't of that mindset, and you just got yourself blacklisted for harassment.
Off topic, but you wouldn't believe how few people actually know how to use Excel for what we need.
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Who the hell went to college and doesnt have 2 years working with Office?
Off topic, but you wouldn't believe how few people actually know how to use Excel for what we need.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:40 pm to SaintBrees
quote:and guys risk getting called out for rape every time a drunk coed comes home with him now. It is the way the world changes.
This comes up a lot in millennial vs. boomer arguments. There are some companies that showing up in person when they explicitly ask for online applicants can hinder your chances. Dad might have gotten his job by showing up at the boss's office every day for 3 weeks to show he wants the job, but do that to a hiring manager who isn't of that mindset, and you just got yourself blacklisted for harassment.
quote:the real question is would you want to hire someone who couldnt learn the basics of excel with a day of training? Also that statement just debunks this whole "huge talent pool who dont have jobs" argument since they dont know freakin excel.
Off topic, but you wouldn't believe how few people actually know how to use Excel for what we need.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:42 pm to SaintBrees
This. Most college kids can make spreadsheets capable of maybe basic math, but few can program pivot tables and do complex group and sort and color coding. I thought I was pretty good at excel when I left undergrad. I was clueless to it's true power. Thankfully, I had a mentor who was an absolute wiz at excel, and who took the time to train me because the company refused to do so. The reality is colleges teach excel, but they don't teach what businesses often need from excel, and businesses refuse to spend any time or money to train their new workers to do anything. They just expect some other company to have already done the work. It's like a master welder expecting the accountant to know what a mig machine looks like on their first day on the job.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:44 pm to CarRamrod
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since they dont know freakin excel.
Kids don't really know it either, but I'm talking about older folks who have been employed for years. I work in consulting, and I have to do things that aren't part of my services for my clients because they can't take information I give them and create what they need in a spreadsheet.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:49 pm to SaintBrees
quote:Well i had a huge awakening when i left the world of academia and when into consulting with the mindset that the world of business was going to be so efficient and different from school and government work.
Kids don't really know it either, but I'm talking about older folks who have been employed for years. I work in consulting, and I have to do things that aren't part of my services for my clients because they can't take information I give them and create what they need in a spreadsheet.
Same fricked, up slow arse, shite. "Experts" who really dont know anything who have just told everyone they were "Experts in such and such" for so many year people just believe them. I find the real world is just like being taught by a foreign professor. if you dont open a book and read or research stuff yourself, you will rarely find someone who knows what they are doing, but you will find a bunch of people who will talk about knowing what they are doing.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:50 pm to CarRamrod
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Who the hell went to college and doesnt have 2 years working with Office?
Probably better than 50% of LSU football players that ever started
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:53 pm to kingbob
Going door to door and hand writing applications and handing them back to the secretary is no easier, and in fact more difficult than online applications. You still very rarely got face/face interviews on the spot.
If you're resume is suffering, get it professionally checked and write a knockout cover letter with solid letters of reference. You'll get in the door.
If you're resume is suffering, get it professionally checked and write a knockout cover letter with solid letters of reference. You'll get in the door.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
No, you won't. 99/100 places don't take walk-ins, and haven't for at least 10 years.
ETA: my resume is good now. When I struggled was in undergrad when I lacked work experience since my dad wouldn't let me have a job early on. Now, my resume is fine. The only improvement I really need at this point is my gpa, which has been improving quickly since my first semester of law school when I was still adjusting.
ETA: my resume is good now. When I struggled was in undergrad when I lacked work experience since my dad wouldn't let me have a job early on. Now, my resume is fine. The only improvement I really need at this point is my gpa, which has been improving quickly since my first semester of law school when I was still adjusting.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:58 pm to kingbob
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No, you won't. 99/100 places don't take walk-ins, and haven't for at least 10 years.
I'm talking about online. First line referenced the old way of going door to door
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 2:13 pm
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