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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:38 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:38 am to wildtigercat93
He sure is angry.
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:39 am to lsunurse
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If you don't wear a helmet or seatbelt and are in an accident....your insurance/Medicaid/medicare/whatever should have the right to not cover a penny of your medical expenses. Not fair to make taxpayers pay for your stupidity. And not fair for other people with insurance policies have to pay higher costs because you wanted your "freedom"
The "freedom fighters" will have no response to this.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:39 am to wildtigercat93
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Don't go to places that allow smoking. Problem solved.
No, why should I restrict my behavior because you are a dumbass. Go outside with the garbage and smoke all you want.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:40 am to Lakeboy7
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No, why should I restrict my behavior because you are a dumbass.
You don't have to.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:40 am to wildtigercat93
quote:Because it isn't a right for a person to engage in an activity that has been scientifically proven to put others at risk.
Why do you demand a right have what you want but deny someone else's right to choose.
NASCAR drivers have thousands upon thousands of hours of training and experience driving at great speed and in extreme conditions. They can't go racing about the interstate like madmen, though. There are others present, and that behavior is unhealthy and unsafe, just like smoking.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:41 am to Honky Lips
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The "freedom fighters" will have no response to this.
Freedom suck don't it? Don't you just hate having to go around "adulting" all the time?
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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big gubment
Its a City Council, which according to you are infallible because they are small, whatever that means.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:42 am to Lakeboy7
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Its a City Council,
City councils are the most overbearing government organization there is.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:43 am to t00f
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yeah well I think spewing cancer in the air in enclosed areas is terrible and should be banned.
No one is making you go in those enclosed areas. And you've stated that you don't. So clearly this isn't an actual issue.
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Go talk to some New Orleans musicians trying to make a living and having to play in bars with smoke or the people that worked there. yeah yeah, find another job as if for some it's that easy.
You pick a job/career that is suited to your skills and personality. If you can't handle that then only play at bars that don't allow smoking (there are plenty), or find a new city or a new career. Being a musician isn't a right either
Also you are pretending like smoking bar are the overwhelming majority, when in fact it's the opposite that is true. The younger generations have turned away from smoking drastically and businesses have in turn decided it's worth more their while to ban smoking to attract non smokers. That's how it's supposed to work, you want to artificially control a market for no reason. You have ample oppurtunies to patron bars that don't allow smoking. Stop pretending otherwise.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:44 am to bconne1
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Because it isn't a right for a person to engage in an activity that has been scientifically proven to put others at risk.
It should be the right of a property owner to allow behavior that he chooses.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Freedom suck don't it? Don't you just hate having to go around "adulting" all the time?
Then why don't you address lsunurse's point smarty pants
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:45 am to Honky Lips
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Then why don't you address lsunurse's point smarty pants
I did. Are you selectively following here?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:45 am to bconne1
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Because it isn't a right for a person to engage in an activity that has been scientifically proven to put others at risk.
End of thread.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:45 am to bconne1
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Because it isn't a right for a person to engage in an activity that has been scientifically proven to put others at risk.
But it's legal and those people are of age, so clearly the government has no problem with smoking. Why does that change in a bar?
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NASCAR drivers have thousands upon thousands of hours of training and experience driving at great speed and in extreme conditions. They can't go racing about the interstate like madmen, though. There are others present, and that behavior is unhealthy and unsafe, just like smoking.
These comparasions just keep getting weirder and weirder to stretch an argument that doesn't have any legs
literally wtf are you even talking about? Is someone's second hand smoke going to blow into you on interstate?Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:46 am to Honky Lips
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The "freedom fighters" will have no response to this.
Wrong.
I agree with it. If you smoke, you should pay a higher premium. If you're an alcoholic and need a liver transplant, you don't make the list if you still drink. If you need a heart/lung transplant and are still an active smoker, too bad so sad.
It's about freedom of choice.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Good thing you're wrong and don't have anything to do with public policy.
It should be the right of a property owner to allow behavior that he chooses.
Should a business owner be allowed to not adhere to regulations governing safe food storage? Or cleanliness standards? After all, those people are free to go somewhere else to eat if they don't want to catch e.coli.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:46 am to mikrit54
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It's about freedom of choice.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:48 am to Lakeboy7
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No, why should I restrict my behavior because you are a dumbass. G
It's very weird how you view this. I want there to be no restrictions on anyone's behavior. Let them choose what they want to do
You however want to be forced to make a choice.
Also I don't smoke and have never smoked. I agree it's disgusting but I'm also smart enough to choose to go to bars that don't allow smoking
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:49 am to wildtigercat93
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Also you are pretending like smoking bar are the overwhelming majority, when in fact it's the opposite that is true. The younger generations have turned away from smoking drastically and businesses have in turn decided it's worth more their while to ban smoking to attract non smokers. That's how it's supposed to work, you want to artificially control a market for no reason. You have ample oppurtunies to patron bars that don't allow smoking. Stop pretending otherwise.
Just bringing up the bigger issue which is it's not all about the patrons but people that have to work there. Prior the the smoking ban in NO a lot of those bars the musicians went into were pretty bad.
That said I get the other side on this and less regulations but I think some are needed and this is one of them.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:50 am to bconne1
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Should a business owner be allowed to not adhere to regulations governing safe food storage? Or cleanliness standards? After all, those people are free to go somewhere else to eat if they don't want to catch e.coli
It's cute you want to piggyback on a point I've already addressed
If that restraint freely advertised that they did not adhear to government safety regulations then I would have no problem letting them do that. People would obviously choose not to go there and it would be quickly shut down.
It's not like if you go into a smoking bar and someone lights up that you'll contract polio, you'll simply just choose to leave.
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