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re: Justice Department: States Should Not Jail Poor People Over Fine Nonpayment
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:16 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:16 am to heartbreakTiger
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a better option would be if it is a fine you either pay it or you do community service.
Sure, but it still opens up the door for abuse by the local government.
On a slightly different topic, I've always found flat fines to be a bit hypocritical given our tax structure. Almost everything is proportional to your income/gain, even things like sales tax are a percentage of the amount spent, but fines are a flat, mostly arbitrary amount.
Fining someone $200 for speeding has a much great impact on the guy making $35,000 per year than it does on the guy making $200,000 per year. It seems if you want the fine to discourage the behavior, it would be wise to make it equally discouraging with respect to income.
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:16 am to Rantavious
A judgment for the amount should be placed on the offenders credit.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:19 am to 13SaintTiger
quote:It's not quite inconceivable that many are. That and ignorant.
So a poor person is lazy?
How many intelligent and productive people do you know who are poor?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:20 am to heartbreakTiger
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most poor people are lazy and stupid. They wouldn't be poor if they weren't at least one of those.
Don't move the goal post. Let's stick with lazy, since you said lazy=poor. So roughly 25% of the US population (all lower class) are lazy? And what about the families who were born into money who don't have to work another day in their life?
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:20 am to crap4brain
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crap4brain
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Why are we punishing hard working people and letting the lazy off?
So poor people are lazy now. Well you've got the right name
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:21 am to trom83
Completely agree. It serves no purpose.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:22 am to theenemy
how does jailing someone for not paying this make up the revenue lost? It doesn't, it just cost the tax payers more money.
Fines are alright if someone is willing to pay, if not then community service is better than locking someone up.
Fines are alright if someone is willing to pay, if not then community service is better than locking someone up.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:22 am to bhtigerfan
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How many intelligent and productive people do you know who are poor?
Lazy does not correlate to level of intelligence.
There are some hard workers who aren't very smart. There are also some hard workers who lack an education. There are also hard workers who work a job that needs to be done even though pay doesn't put them in the middle class range. Their are also some hard workers who made terrible decisions earlier in life that make it much harder to get ahead.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:25 am
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:23 am to slackster
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Fining someone $200 for speeding has a much great impact on the guy making $35,000 per year than it does on the guy making $200,000 per year. It seems if you want the fine to discourage the behavior, it would be wise to make it equally discouraging with respect to income.
That sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare.
And don't confuse revenue sources for deterrents.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:23 am to MSMHater
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Just put it on the credit report like everything else.
This. As long as they are poor it won't matter, but if they ever want to escape the ghetto, it will have to be addressed.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:24 am to 13SaintTiger
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13SaintTiger
Amen.
I know a bunch. They are called teachers.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:26 am to Artie Rome
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That sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare. And don't confuse revenue sources for deterrents.
Sure, I'm not arguing that it is more practical to implement, but it is more logical when you breakdown the reason fines exist.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:26 am to slackster
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It seems if you want the fine to discourage the behavior, it would be wise to make it equally discouraging with respect to income.
So we should punish success and reward failure? Seems like we should be doing the opposite.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:26 am to heartbreakTiger
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Fines are alright if someone is willing to pay, if not then community service is better than locking someone up.
There is a fine judge in the 19th JDC that simply says get a job and pay the fines. If you can't, then account for 40 hours a week of service, doing anything other than watching tv all day. If you are doing 40 hours of work or service a week, you stay out of jail.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:27 am to heartbreakTiger
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how does jailing someone for not paying this make up the revenue lost? It doesn't, it just cost the tax payers more money
Because it gives a strong incentive to pay the fine.
Most jurisdictions will work with you on giving you extra time to pay or setting up payment plans.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:28 am to crap4brain
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So we should punish success and reward failure? Seems like we should be doing the opposite.
Right. If you are "successful" you should be able to break laws with impunity.
Wait, that is already the case.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:28 am to bhtigerfan
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It's not quite inconceivable that many are. That and ignorant.
How many intelligent and productive people do you know who are poor
Quite a few have disabilities or other reasons why they can't work as hard. Bashing poor people here must make you feel really good. Asswipe
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:29 am to trom83
I agree with the Justice Dept.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:30 am to crap4brain
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So we should punish success and reward failure? Seems like we should be doing the opposite.
That is such a lazy way to frame it. It doesn't take much effort to realize that flat fines are far more punitive to even the working class than they are to the upper middle class.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:30 am to crap4brain
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So we should punish success and reward failure?
Who are you to determine what success and failure is? You seem to have some insecurities.
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