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re: How do you feel about spanking children?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:51 am to inadaze
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:51 am to inadaze
I'm all for it. Kids need to know their actions have consiquences. I'm not saying beat them for every little thing, but I can't stand when parents have their bad kids running around being bad in public and all they say is "junior behave" while the kid is still going balls to the walls.
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:57 am to Dylan
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I'm all for it. Kids need to know their actions have consiquences. I'm not saying beat them for every little thing, but I can't stand when parents have their bad kids running around being bad in public and all they say is "junior behave" while the kid is still going balls to the walls.
This is another mistake people are making. If a relativistic scale needs to be applied in this conversation, it is to this idea that you either spank your kids, or they're going to be bad kids that have their way with their parents.
It's not the either/or scenario many people are making it out to be.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:01 pm to Festus
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The look was good enough to correct the behavior after that.
This is the gold standard. However you get there is up to the parent. But at some point, with every kid, you have to be able to get your point across with just 'the look' You have done a good job when this happens.
I don't spank often, probably haven't in months or more. I have a 16, 4, and 2 all diff. I cant imagine spanking the children after they get past 3 or 4 and can understand. But then again, I haven't seen all the crap they may do either. We have gotten past it, and can accomplish what we need with other means. But a little pop is often very good for immediate attitude adjustments. And I don't think any parent should spank when they are upset, or as a last resort, too much emotion involved then, spanking should be a deliberate calm process with a result in mind.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:04 pm to inadaze
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You are full of shite!
Because I don't agree with you?
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WDE24 compared the child-parent relationship to a player-coach relationship.
He referred to coaches-in positions of power-using physical punishment as an effective tool.
Your Pete Carroll article shows the efficacy of his alternative method. It is effective because he is dealing with adults, not children. Soooooo, although your article uses the words "coaches" and "players" it is not relevant in the same way as WDEs.
Dude, I have no incentive in to "get you", I'm simply addressing the topic that you're bringing to the table.
You kept "not letting it go" with your insisting that no argument had been made and no one had replied to your articles.
Then you freak out when I did both :lol:
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:19 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Because I don't agree with you?
No. It's fine if we disagree. You know exactly why you're full of shite.
I'm not going to go back and forth on your errors all day.
I linked the article because WDE24 was talking about the player-coach relationship. That is a connection.
I linked the article because it deals with addressing the root cause of a problem, which is what I've been talking about in this thread. That is a connection.
My point is there for people who know how to read. The point that I am making is applicable to children. I only used that article because it shows someone having major success using that method in a player-coach relationship.
This was a pathetic attempt on your part.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:20 pm to inadaze
Is this a Southern thing or what? I've never read or heard so much about spanking in my life as on TD, but I live in the Midwest. Everyone I know personally is dead set against it. Spanking is nothing but a lack of parenting skills.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:29 pm to RedMustang
I really did not know it would turn out like this. I live in the Midwest as well, but I grew up in the South. I'm not quite sure about regional prevalence, but I'd guess it is more prevalent in the South.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:32 pm to inadaze
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You know exactly why you're full of shite.
i truly don't
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The point that I am making is applicable to children.
The point I'm making is the major success is due in large part to the fact that the method transpires between 2 rational adults.
If anything is pathetic, it is your failure to see/understand this distinction
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:38 pm to inadaze
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it is more prevalent in the South.
the least educated states are the ones who believe in spanking the most
not a coincidence
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:39 pm to inadaze
Apparently you have become frustrated by a simple conversation among adults, as your argument has now deteriorated to the level of personal attacks (full of shite, can't read, pathetic, etc).
If this is your reaction to an adult who is trying to have a civil interaction, you need to think long and hard about having children of your own.
If this is your reaction to an adult who is trying to have a civil interaction, you need to think long and hard about having children of your own.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:42 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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The point I'm making is the major success is due in large part to the fact that the method transpires between 2 rational adults.
Obviously there are going to be different variables to consider depending on the age of the child, but I can't imagine that you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Getting to the Root of the Problem - I just did a search and found this. Again, the other article dealt with the same idea, it was just more applicable to the earlier comparison, and fresh in my mind because I had just recently read it. You're trying to be overly picky, and in the process, missing the point. And don't go back and start talking about children who lack logical functioning. We've already been through that.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:48 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Apparently you have become frustrated by a simple conversation among adults, as your argument has now deteriorated to the level of personal attacks (full of shite, can't read, pathetic, etc).
I really think you knew what I was talking about when I was referring to addressing the root cause of the problem. You're trying to play some petty game to invalidate that article. In that sense, you're full of shite.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:48 pm to inadaze
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We've already been through that.
I presented it as a situation that merits spanking. You responded with personal attacks, if thats what you mean by "been through that."
I completely agree that getting to the root of the problem is much, much better than spanking. I've also repeated ad nauseam that getting to the root is not always a possible. Thus the need and justification for spanking in certain instances when handled in a very specific manner
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:51 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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I presented it as a situation that merits spanking. You responded with personal attacks, if thats what you mean by "been through that."
No. You're confused again. I'm referring to this:
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But until a certain age, children are unable to reason and think in a logical manner. Their brains simply haven't developed enough yet.
You can go back and read our exchange if you don't remember. I didn't say that you were full of shite until you started playing that GOTCHA game.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:52 pm to inadaze
I don't know if you caught it or not, but I also specified this:
Even when my are at the age where they lack the mental capacity to reason, I explain to them the reason they are being punished and make them repeat or explain it back to me (to the best of their ability depending of their age and development).
I do this because the ability to reason/understand is not an overnight off-on phenomenon. Gradually they learn, grasp the concept, and usually from that time on the spankings become unnecessary and inappropriate.
Even when my are at the age where they lack the mental capacity to reason, I explain to them the reason they are being punished and make them repeat or explain it back to me (to the best of their ability depending of their age and development).
I do this because the ability to reason/understand is not an overnight off-on phenomenon. Gradually they learn, grasp the concept, and usually from that time on the spankings become unnecessary and inappropriate.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:59 pm to inadaze
I'm neither confused nor playing the GOTCHA game, buddy.
Also I'm not rudely, mistakingly, and condescendingly accusing folks of being confused or wrong simply because they don't agree with me.
Also I'm not rudely, mistakingly, and condescendingly accusing folks of being confused or wrong simply because they don't agree with me.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:21 pm to inadaze
I know I said I was out the thread, but I had to get back in for just a minute.
You mean to tell me that you don't have kids of your own? I just assumed you were speaking from experience and not as an uncle who occasionally babysits. Please tell me that I haven't been going back and forth this whole time with you and you don't have tried and true father experience. And I'm talking about your own flesh and blood, not a niece or nephew?
You mean to tell me that you don't have kids of your own? I just assumed you were speaking from experience and not as an uncle who occasionally babysits. Please tell me that I haven't been going back and forth this whole time with you and you don't have tried and true father experience. And I'm talking about your own flesh and blood, not a niece or nephew?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:23 pm to RealityTiger
He is not a parent.
Take a gander at his response to my hypothetical about children wandering into danger. His response was basically "well don't let them do that" as if 1) that thought had never crossed my mind, and 2) it's just that easy.
Take a gander at his response to my hypothetical about children wandering into danger. His response was basically "well don't let them do that" as if 1) that thought had never crossed my mind, and 2) it's just that easy.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:28 pm to CrimsonTideMD
Holy fricking shite...
That is so typical, and so OT for that matter. Parenting advice and scrutiny from somebody who hasn't the first clue.
That is so typical, and so OT for that matter. Parenting advice and scrutiny from somebody who hasn't the first clue.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:29 pm to RealityTiger
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RealityTiger
i figured three options
1. not a parent
2. a woman
3. 1. and 2.
"How do you write about women so well?"
"Well, I picture a man. Then I take away reason and accountability."
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