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re: Forgotten Horrors: Ant-Walking Alligators of Hiroshima
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:14 pm to The Third Leg
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:14 pm to The Third Leg
quote:Give us another option, general.
I don't fricking know what the best course of action was.
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:15 pm to troyt37
2 grandfathers and 1 step-grandfather, all Navy vets in the Pacific theatre 
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:15 pm to DanTiger
quote:Not hard for most to understand.
I cannot tell you what the total casualty number would be but it would be far greater thn the use of two A-bombs.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:16 pm to mizzoukills
quote:
I always write crisp lines with a clear message. You're just lazy...and a liberal...which goes together like a PB&J.
Good for you.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:20 pm to boom roasted
Basic math
~200,000 dead Japanese < untold millions of dead Japanese and Americans
I don't know the coefficient for "nukes are icky" or how to factor it in.
~200,000 dead Japanese < untold millions of dead Japanese and Americans
I don't know the coefficient for "nukes are icky" or how to factor it in.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:21 pm to The Third Leg
quote:
The Third Leg
Fwiw, I don't think you're a troll. Generally, I believe you are sincere in your positions and opinions here. I just think you might be misguided and a bit over the top, but I think you legit believe in them, and aren't trolling.
Calling the bombings terrorism though, makes you appear to be a whacko.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:23 pm to boom roasted
quote:
Not hard for most to understand.
And that, in and of itself, justified the action?
I find it funny - especially after the way we reacted to 9/11 - that this line of thought pervades the masses. It's as if no other course of action could have led to a better outcome.
Are we ever wrong as a nation?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:25 pm to The Third Leg
quote:Enlighten us.
t's as if no other course of action could have led to a better outcome.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:25 pm to Festus
quote:
Fwiw, I don't think you're a troll. Generally, I believe you are sincere in your positions and opinions here. I just think you might be misguided and a bit over the top, but I think you legit believe in them, and aren't trolling.
This thread is a troll out. I don't know shite about WW2 and quite frankly, I do not give a frick.
It's not that I believe everything I say, it's that I want to be told why divergence from the norm is so very wrong.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:26 pm to The Third Leg
quote:You've been told numerous times already.
I want to be told why divergence from the norm is so very wrong.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:27 pm to genro
quote:
Basic math
~200,000 dead Japanese < untold millions of dead Japanese and Americans
I don't know the coefficient for "nukes are icky" or how to factor it in.
The problem with this argument, genro, is that the Japanese were ready to surrender, conditionally. The conditions were basically to avoid shame for the Emperor and the family. Japan was in shambles and defeated well before the bombs were dropped.
You keep posting this argument that millions more would have died, and it simply cannot be proven. What we do know is that Japan had voiced to the Russians a desire to get out of the war. They had sent a memorandum with their conditions (again mostly just to save face for the family), and the United States would have none of it. We required unconditional surrender.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:27 pm to Festus
But your categorization is generally correct. I like to make outlandish claims and statements in an attempt to make people second guess natural assumptions.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:28 pm to The Third Leg
This has completely fallen off the rails. I mean Good God man.
You have no alternative solutions, and you blame the people much smarter and more involved than you for not having one either.
You want to know why deviation from the norm is wrong? It's not, necessarily. But if I say the ocean isn't salty, I'm not being skeptical or rebelling or being anti-conformist. I'm just an idiot.
You have no alternative solutions, and you blame the people much smarter and more involved than you for not having one either.
You want to know why deviation from the norm is wrong? It's not, necessarily. But if I say the ocean isn't salty, I'm not being skeptical or rebelling or being anti-conformist. I'm just an idiot.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:28 pm to The Third Leg
you're so enlightened. everyone else is a line-towing jingoist, and you're the only one that can see the big picture.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:28 pm to boom roasted
It's like that scene in Ender's Game, where (if I remember right) a bully picks a fight with Ender, and Ender wins the fight, and then proceeds to beat the shite out of the bully. When asked why he continued to kick the crap out of the guy even after he had won the fight, Ender said something to the affect of, "so no one tries to fight with me again."
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:28 pm to The Third Leg
quote:
I find it funny - especially after the way we reacted to 9/11 - that this line of thought pervades the masses. It's as if no other course of action could have led to a better outcome.
Are we ever wrong as a nation?
We were at war with Japan. They had bombed Pearl Harbor, and thus struck the first blow to draw us into the World War.
How can you even compare that to terrorists hijacking our planes and murdering civilians?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:29 pm to boom roasted
quote:
Give us another option, general.
But hurry because Germany is close to developing the abomb. And I'm pretty sure they planned to use it.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:29 pm to link
TTL 
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:29 pm to vuvuzela
quote:I thought about responding to this earlier in the other thread, but I let it go. This is 100% false. They wanted to maintain their oppressive empire and military. Obviously we couldn't let that happen there or in Germany. We'd be back to war again soon, and this time they might have nukes.
The conditions were basically to avoid shame for the Emperor and the family.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:30 pm to boom roasted
No, I've been told that more would have died. That was said to me in high school.
Here's the real driver of my position.
Would the world over the past sixty some odd years be drastically different had we gone in on foot and taken he casualties?
I see this left out of many discussions.
Here's the real driver of my position.
Would the world over the past sixty some odd years be drastically different had we gone in on foot and taken he casualties?
I see this left out of many discussions.
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