re: For those of you who work for a company that mandated the vaccine. What did you do?

No shite, it’s pretty damn easy to find the VAERS site

And look at his post history….his is all ate up with anti vaccine rants so I wouldn’t pay serious attention to him.

No, just pointing out to you that I’m not a doctor nor did I hold myself out as one. I have available the same information you do. You choose to hone in on fringe cases whereas I look at the whole picture. You focus on the 2-3 with complications and I look at the 101,997-101,998 without them. That’s fine, and I read the article about the study. I guess we will see if they are related.

But as I said before, without knowing all of the factors at play for those with side effects, the assumptions you are making to explain your fear of the vaccine are so far unfounded.

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And I am angry, very angry. I've said it multiple times but you can't get it through you small brain, COVID and vaccine are very different for everyone

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Haven’t argued against this point.

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Why would someone get the vaccine if they have handled or can handle COVID fine and there are unexplained, incurable issues happening in perfectly healthy people?

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Did you know that this is true for all vaccines, including the multiple ones you were given at a young age? Did you know this is true for Tylenol and NyQuil and Sudafed?

The vaccine is overwhelmingly safe. That has been clearly proven. The number of proven instances of incurable side effects is infinitesimal.

Your own personal opinions are fine, but the thread was about what to do if your employer mandates it. I guess we know your answer. You are going to get pissy and quit, or you are going to get the shot. Either way, I don’t care. Just stop making bad arguments.

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Did you know that this is true for all vaccines, including the multiple ones you were given at a young age? Did you know this is true for Tylenol and NyQuil and Sudafed? The vaccine is overwhelmingly safe. That has been clearly proven. The number of proven instances of incurable side effects is infinitesimal. Your own personal opinions are fine, but the thread was about what to do if your employer mandates it. I guess we know your answer. You are going to get pissy and quit, or you are going to get the shot. Either way, I don’t care. Just stop making bad arguments.

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Yeah, and those medications have been around and studied for a long fricking time. Scientists and doctors aren't turning a blind eye to the issue or dragging their feet to address them. I bet they even know why they issues happened to the people that are having them.

And did you know COVID is overwhelming safe for a majority of young healthy people? Let me get a vaccine that has issues that are unexplained for a virus I'll be just fine with or have been just fine with and I may even get the virus even if I get the vaccine. Makes total sense. Let me go run out and get it!!!!

And nope, only six out of twenty-three persons at my place of employment are vaccinated or plan to. Any forcing of a vaccine will doom the company. Get pissy? Says the pissy frick trying to pressure people into getting a vaccine because his fatass is too unhealthy to handle a virus. Your vaccine should protect you bro, chill.

This dude sho is mad.

Imagine being so anxious and upset over supposed reactions to a vaccine….but you don’t even see your doctor about it???

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Says the pissy frick trying to pressure people into getting a vaccine because his fatass is too unhealthy to handle a virus.

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Can you point to where I pressured you or anyone else to get a vaccine? Or find all the posts in my post history where I suggest that people should be forced to do it?

Your comment about Covid being safe for people is telling. It tells me that you think vaccinations are designed to be a self-protective measure only. That’s fine, now I know you are ignorant to the point of vaccines and there’s no point in continuing to discuss.

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2. After being reported, a deep and invasive dive into your recent lifestyle is done. I know this is also true because I’ve experienced it personally. And 99.999 times out of 100, no causal link is found.

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Yeah, because doctors do that when you call and let them know you have ringing in your ears after a vaccine.

I can say the same about people dying from COVID, it's not COVID, it's just their lifestyle. Nothing to look at hear.

There are many people reporting it online and it forums. It's obviously gotten enough attention that many medical outlets have have to write articles acknowledging people are complaining about it but "there is no known link" and " we have to get more information." Well "we don't know" isn't good enough for something who was perfectly healthy and now has these issues that won't go away. And I'm guessing you still haven't even researched the issues yet lol.

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Yeah, because doctors do that when you call and let them know you have ringing in your ears after a vaccine

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They do, sorry your experience has been different. I had a stomach illness one time. It was an odd bacteria infection. I got a call from the CDC investigating everything I’d eaten for weeks. Oh but wait, your friends haven’t actually tried to report anything.

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There are many people reporting it online and it forums.

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There are real, actual ways to report these things. Online and in forums are not the ways to do it. Let’s just give you the benefit of the doubt and say your friends are truly experiencing these symptoms. Have you counseled them on the myriad ways to report this? Or did you tell them that you are fighting the good fight here on the OT Lounge and that should suffice?

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many medical outlets have have to write articles acknowledging people are complaining about it but "there is no known link" and " we have to get more information." Well "we don't know" isn't good enough for something who was perfectly healthy and now has these issues that won't go away. And I'm guessing you still haven't even researched the issues yet lol.

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I have researched the issues, I just don’t draw the same conclusions you do. I am sure you’ve read all of the studies that have been done that have repeatedly demonstrated the effectiveness and safety of the Covid vaccines too, right?

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You are probably a fricking med surg nurse trying to act like an expert on COVID.

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What oath are you talking about you crazy ranting fool?

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Dude, I don't monitor they contact they have with their doctors. Last we talked about it they, didn't tell anyone. They may have told someone. That's one them. It's curious that you diminish their pain and problems because they didn't report it right away. Maybe they were waiting, hoping it would subside? Maybe it did since I last spoke with them. You are missing the point dude.

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What is your point? That their symptoms are so life-changing, so serious, and so troublesome and through their own scientific determination they know, without a doubt, that the vaccine cause their symptoms? I am not sure what point you are making by continually sharing stories about your buddies rather than scientific evidence. And no, Harvard deciding to study something doesn't mean there is evidence.

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So people that talk about it online didn't report it or don't have the ability to? I don't fricking know if they did or didn't but for people to get on Reddit and other sites complaining, there is something there. Some may report it or not, some may post online or not, some may just take aspirin and hope it goes away. That facts are I know people that have had these two particular issues and it was backed up online. Barely any information from the "medical experts" because they are slow to respond and want probably don't want anything negative out there about this vaccine. That has been obvious for months.

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What is the response you want?

"I got the vaccine and my left nostril just doesn't seem to operate the same way as it used to."

BREAKING NEWS: COVID VACCINES CAUSE NOSTRIL DEFICIENCIES

There is a reason that side effects are carefully studied. Actually three really good ones - (1) to inform the public about potential issues that may develop when proceeding with a particular treatment, (2) to understand the combinations of factors that may lead to those issues being more likely to present themselves, and (3) to ensure that the public who is being asked to participate in the vaccination aren't scared off by every story of every thing that happens to every person after a shot is administered.

Doctors, on the whole, actually do not want to push a medication / treatment that has known, proven side effects that are worse than the illness itself. Why would they want to hide proven side-effects? It's actually in their best interests not to. That's why they are mandated to report to VAERS, by law.

Is it possible that the reason there's been little media coverage about the side effects for months now because there's actually little to report? Can you imagine that as a reasonably likely scenario? Or is it all just a big cover-up to make sure your friend with ringing ears doesn't get the help they need?

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Yeah, I've seen the most recent information and stats about how the effectiveness wanes pretty quickly and this vaccine doesn't do well against the variants. I also see the information viral loads of the vaccinated and their propensity to still spread it. Not selling me on anything with that combined with the LACK of information and studies on the numerous issues people are having with the vaccine.

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Pretty quickly compared to what? Other viral vaccines like the flu vaccine that wanes within a year? What is your definition of "not doing well" agains the variants? And what is the standard that the vaccine would need to reach to be considered effective for you? You've already said that having Covid is fine for you. Not everyone feels the same way you do - I'm really sorry that this offends you so much.

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Safety is relative, as of now, a young healthy person will survive COVID and the vaccine. Are both safe? A large percentage don't even know they have COVID or minor symptoms and that same with the vaccine, are both safe? Let's take a vaccine for something I will 99.7% survive (if the person even gets COVID) or not have severe problems with but there is also a chance I'm going to get flu like symptoms from the vaccine and a small chance I may have unexplained, unfixable problems from the vaccine. What is the benefit?

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It's hard to know what the benefit is, to be honest. I can't prove that getting the vaccine has kept me or will keep me from getting sick; just like you can't prove that not getting it is equally effective. I don't want anyone to get sick.

Again, the point of the thread was about what to do if your company mandates the vaccine. For some people, the benefit of getting it would be remaining employed. It's really that simple. That benefit may not exist for you, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist for anyone else.