re: Delphi, IN Murders Trial Thread

Lunch break update from Hidden True Crime.


Defense witnesses - expert on what solitary confinement does to people, then one that is an expert on firearm tool marks and such. Second witness took up the most time.

Lady in the video said firearm testimony was a mixed bag. Some people thought he did well and others did not.

She felt the first witness did a better job for Defense purposes.

Said the prosecution was on its game today, but that there was an interesting moment - the first witness was being asked to give a yes or no answer to a question and he wouldn't do that. He felt it couldn't be answered in that fashion. Prosecution kept interrupting him and telling him to answer yes or no and a juror blurted out, "let him answer". I guess that's a win for the Defense?

She said she feels the jury is likely divided on guilty or not guilty and that this is the hardest trial she's ever reported on.

Yeah somebody will have to get to the bottom of that. Would the prosecution have known that information prior? Seems like they’d need to have something prepared to dispute it if they can. Interesting for sure.

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A former FBI digital evidence instructor testified for the defense today that they think someone plugged in headphones or something else into the 3.5mm jack between 5:45-10:32 the afternoon/evening after the girls were killed.

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That's interesting. I wonder if they can tell what type of cord it was and if it belonged to one of the girls. Do we know when exactly they were killed? I can't remember that from any testimony. Probably something I forgot.

I remember them saying her phone sort of went off the net for a while then re-appeared.

I just read that it was plugged in the instant a call came in and they might have been trying to quiet the phone? Wouldn’t switching it to vibrate do the same thing?

Unless someone was trying to figure out what was on the phone. Listen to stuff that may have been recorded. Seems like destroying it and getting rid of it would make more sense. Although they may have known some stuff is stored in the cloud.

I hope it wasn’t one of the girls still suffering at that time. Never saw anything about headphones being found. And the phone was found under Abby.

I heard a short video summary that said Cecil, I believe, googled the issue about something being plugged into the phone and that this could have been caused by moisture or dirt.

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I heard a short video summary that said Cecil, I believe, googled the issue about something being plugged into the phone and that this could have been caused by moisture or dirt.

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Bad look for the defense’s paid expert.

The whole they were picked up by another car, taken and killed elsewhere, then brought back and dumped unseen—and posed and covered branches near both the hypothetical car abduction site, where they were eventually found, and after the search had already begun nearby is just nonsensical. I mean, why? To what end? Why not dump them ANYWHERE else besides the place that a big group of people were looking for them?

If you think the state will not have proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt in order to get a conviction, that’s one thing. Though the lack of transparency makes that almost impossible to tell as we’re relying almost solely on the reports and interpretations of YouTubers, many of whom have a financial incentive to posit wild theories as that’s what attracts the crazies to their channel and gives them views. The Venn Diagram of people who think Richard Allen is innocent and people who think Kholberger is innocent is probably pretty close to 1 circle.

But if you think some secret cabal of Indiana Odinists have infiltrated multiple local law enforcement agencies, the prison system, and who knows what else, and are running around the Delphi woods abducting teenage girls to take back to their dank lair for secret virgin sacrifices to appease their mythical Norse god for…reasons—is more likely than some fricking weirdo loser who was spotted on the bridge, called and admitted he was on the bridge at the time the girls were there (before changing his story), wearing the same outfit the Bridge Guy was wearing, and like 5 other things he can’t explain, killing them because he’s a weak piece of fricking shite, then I think you’re fricking looney tunes. It’s a coked-out Nic Pizzolatto penned and phoned in season of True Detective, just subbing the Green Eared Spaghetti Monster with Bridge Guy and Carcosa for fricking CVS. And he couldn’t make the Odinists make any sense, so he just said “frick it, better than Season 2.”

Bridge Guy killed the girls.
Bridge Guy is Richard Allen.
Richard Allen killed the girls.
That’s it. That’s what happened.

Now, I’m not as confident in a conviction as I was last week. But there is zero chance he is acquitted. Mark the tape. He may get a hung jury, but there is 1000000% chance they retry him, and will likely learn from their mistakes and get a guilty verdict in the next trial.

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I heard a short video summary that said Cecil, I believe, googled the issue about something being plugged into the phone and that this could have been caused by moisture or dirt.

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I thought he might be full of shite but turns out he’s absolutely right and apparently this is a pretty common problem. Doesn’t take much debris to get stuck in headphone’s mode and only a drop of water. People have reported the issue after dropping their phone in the snow. If this was the case it was likely moisture that dried eventually.

This actually makes more sense than a headphone jack being plugged in within a millisecond of a phone call. Makes more sense that the phone call triggered a check of the headphone port and determined they were plugged in. Then several hours later it no longer detected anything after drying out.

Libby had an iPhone 6S which was the last model with the dedicated headphone port.

Payetteforward.com (former Apple employee)

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If your iPhone is still stuck on headphones mode after your iPhone turns back on, there’s a hardware problem with your iPhone.

At this point, this problem is being caused by one of two possibilities:

Debris stuck inside the headphone jack or Lightning port is fooling your iPhone into thinking that headphones are plugged in.

The headphone jack or Lightning port is damaged, either physically or by liquid

A very common reason for iPhones getting stuck in headphones mode is water damage, and a lot of the time people don’t know how it could have happened. Here’s how the conversation went: I’d ask, “Are you an athlete?”, and they would say yes. I’d ask, “Do you listen to music when you run or work out?”, and they’d say yes again. Can you guess what happened?

A lot of the time, this is problem is caused when sweat runs down the cord of an athlete’s headphones. At some point, a small amount of sweat gets inside the headphone jack or Lightning port and causes their iPhone to get stuck in headphone mode. Other types of water damage can cause this problem too — it doesn’t take much.

The headphone jack on older iPhones and the Lightning port on newer iPhones are two of the only openings on the outside of the iPhone, and that makes them particularly susceptible to water damage. Even if the rest of an iPhone works perfectly after it gets wet, the headphone jack or Lightning port may not.

Somebody posted in the comments it happened to their 6S like Libby’s.

My iPhone 6s did same thing . It went I o headphone mode when I was working in rain , I clean it with toothpick stick and volume came back and phone came out of headphone mode. Very happy . Thanks guys . This method really works

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I mean, why? To what end? Why not dump them ANYWHERE else besides the place that a big group of people were looking for them?

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If the point was to make sure they were found, then there's your answer.

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But if you think some secret cabal of Indiana Odinists have infiltrated multiple local law enforcement agencies, the prison system, and who knows what else, and are running around the Delphi woods abducting teenage girls to take back to their dank lair for secret virgin sacrifices to appease their mythical Norse god for…reasons

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I'm not sure anyone thinks there's been an infiltration of LE, but I have seen people mention that the phone going off the net and then coming back on the net could indicate something like a faraday bag being used. This has made some people suggest a LE connection, but I don't really understand why. Anyone could get one of those bags. If that was the case (using a faraday bag), it would give some credence to an abduction because it would indicate someone did not want a phone signal tracked, thus giving away the location of the girls. That said, it would be much easier to just tell the girls to toss their phones on the ground and leave them behind. The way this investigation has gone, I have no hope that we'll ever get the real story here.

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is more likely than some fricking weirdo loser who was spotted on the bridge, called and admitted he was on the bridge at the time the girls were there (before changing his story), wearing the same outfit the Bridge Guy was wearing, and like 5 other things he can’t explain, killing them because he’s a weak piece of fricking shite, then I think you’re fricking looney tunes.

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I find it ironic you think people are looney tunes for not declaring someone guilty when there is zero evidence that he is guilty of murder. The van thing has been blown up because this weirdo Weber changes his story. The confession makes no sense and gives information that is simply wrong. He got all the discovery materials before the confessions, iirc, the idiot psychologist was talking to him about case information and things she saw on the internet, he already had mental health issues and they tortured him in prison via solitary confinement.

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Bridge Guy killed the girls.
Bridge Guy is Richard Allen.
Richard Allen killed the girls.
That’s it. That’s what happened.

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God help any defendant if you're a jury member one day.

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He may get a hung jury

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Seems a lock.

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1000000% chance they retry him

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I don't think so. Their case is awful. You can't re-do an investigation as there are opportunities that no longer exist. There won't be a new set of facts for a re-trial. They blew it. The lone exception, I believe, is the firearm testing. My hunch is that there's a reason they did flawed testing for this trial, so that may weigh against a re-trial as well. Also, there's going to be a civil suit due to his treatment in the prison and that's going to be ugly for the state. They are guaranteed to get destroyed in that case which will make fodder in a re-trial to show a false confession. "Yes, we tortured him in prison and yes that produces false confessions but we're pretty sure he's guilty despite no physical evidence." That'll go over like a fart in church.

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If the point was to make sure they were found, then there's your answer.

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Dear Lord. You really do think this is some sort of True Detective season mystery. Forgive me, as I am not all that familiar with the tenets of Indiana Odinism, but what point were they possibly trying to communicate to the good people of Delphi by “posing” the girls to be found with some (for the sake of your argument) rudimentary Viking runes made with some nearby sticks and twigs? I don’t mean to insult the education levels of the townsfolk, but I doubt many of them are all that fluent in those particular pagan ritual sacrifice symbols.

Was it just to terrify them? If so, they no doubt succeeded. They also succeeded in bringing in a shite-ton of Indiana law enforcement agencies, the FBI, podcasters from all over the country, and tens of thousands of internet web sleuths to try to crack the case. And who knows how many regular out of towners just curious to see the famous Monan High Bridge where the mysterious phone footage of the now notorious “Bridge Guy” was taken just before everyone, turns out, falsely assumed he approached, corralled, and eventually killed the 2 young teenagers.

Now, I’d typically say that bringing that kind of intense heat into the town of the double murder Odinist culprits was not all that wise. However, I clearly need to read up on my Odinism magic, as it appears foreseeing the future, perhaps in a crystal ball forged by Thor’s friend Tyrion, is at least one of their ancient powers. How else could they have known that not only would “Bridge Guy” be there that day, but he would happen to get recorded for 43 seconds of audio and video, caught by one of the victim’s cellphones. (Which their visions clearly told them she would have, hence the proper preparation of bringing the faraday bag).

But this crystal ball was so incredibly powerful, that it foretold that Richard Allen would be the perfect patsy some 6 years later when, after admitting to being on the bridge that day and describing himself wearing the exact same clothes as Bridge Guy, he would have just the proper mental health issues that, when combined with being in solitary confinement for several months (and eating and jerking off with and rolling around on the prison floor in his own shite) created the perfect conditions for a particular psychosis to manifest itself in his mind that made him suggestible and/or susceptible to confessing to the double murders that they themselves had perpetrated. 61 times. Thereby, finally throwing law enforcement off their scent. After only 7 short years. Nefariously brilliant bastards.


That’s more likely to you than Richard Allen was indeed Bridge Guy and just fricking killed them himself?

And I just said he was Bridge Guy and he did it, not that the state had proved it beyond a reasonable doubt to the jury based on the evidence they’ve been presented. Because we haven’t seen any of it. Just heard notes of it 2nd and 3rd hand. I’d be a fine juror for the defense because I would hold the prosecution to that standard. Like I posted earlier, better to let 100 guilty men go free than convince an innocent one. But they’ve got to come with something better than True Detective Season 5: Odin’s Hoosier Country.

Defense has rested.