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re: Could The University of Alabama be the next Baylor. UPDATE:Another victim has come forward
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:35 am to HarryBalzack
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:35 am to HarryBalzack
"The machine" wouldn't be concerned with TJ Bunn. It's more or less a conglomerate of the Greeks who influence campus elections and goings on. They really don't have the power they once did, even on campus. Anything more is just a ghost story. At this point, it just sounds scary and mysterious.
I really hope this Watkins guy uncovers something. I don't doubt there is corruption going on somewhere.
Not that I would put it against UA to cover up a story like this. Personally, I know there are morally defunct individuals with influence at UA, but I think UA's involvement is being overstated in this thread. There is certainly a witchunt tone here and some trolling, as proven by the title of this thread, which is sad in its own right.
I really hope this Watkins guy uncovers something. I don't doubt there is corruption going on somewhere.
Not that I would put it against UA to cover up a story like this. Personally, I know there are morally defunct individuals with influence at UA, but I think UA's involvement is being overstated in this thread. There is certainly a witchunt tone here and some trolling, as proven by the title of this thread, which is sad in its own right.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:39 am to Brodeur
The "WayBack Machine" is an internet archive, not the Bama bangs collective.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:39 am to HarryBalzack
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The civil suit is the only way to go.
There is considerable supposition in Watkin's post but I think there is a considerable case that her federal rights were denied.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:45 am to 14&Counting
quote:Yep, and as anyone who has ever been involved in something like this knows, probably a LOT more to the story than what has been portrayed in the press. The DA, sheriff, university, hospital, etc., are all limited in what they can say publicly about the case.
There is considerable supposition in Watkin's post
Sure a lot of smoke on this fire, though. People here in town are pretty pissed. Will be interesting to see if it's enough to translate into action.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:50 am to HarryBalzack
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Sure a lot of smoke on this fire, though. People here in town are pretty pissed. Will be interesting to see if it's enough to translate into action.
Was there much talk before the last couple weeks when all this started spilling out? I stayed with a friend of mine that moved back to ttown a few years ago and later into the night he mentioned that he knew someone that had raped someone and asked what i would do in such a situation, i didn't really pay it much mind at the time and asked how he knew and all (i forget exactly where the conversation went as it was late in the evening) - but obviously when i saw all of this my thoughts went straight to that.
Just curious if some people in town had been rumbling about it or if this is essentially new revelations.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:51 am to HarryBalzack
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People here in town are pretty pissed
So you live in Tuscaloosa? What is the view outside of the press and the players who can't really talk? What are people saying generally?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:51 am to Brodeur
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proven by the title of this thread, which is sad in its own right.
Whats sad is the people that are willing to give the University of Alabama a free pass before looking at all the connections. They are the ones that truly deceive this girl and pretended to be her friend and Ally
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:55 am to Placebeaux
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Whats sad is the people that are willing to give the University of Alabama a free pass before looking at all the connections. They are the ones that truly deceive this girl and pretended to be her friend and Ally
Yep, that is the sad part of this story - good call.
I mean any connections which emerge (including any violations by the title IX officer) will be considered and those people will be fired and charged (hopefully) if they were involved and if possible - "the university" isn't defined by one or two people and those aren't the ideals that were instilled in me or the people I know who attended the University with me.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:58 am to Placebeaux
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Whats sad is the people that are willing to give the University of Alabama a free pass before looking at all the connections.
No one is giving U of A a free pass but don't I see the collusion you keep referring to.....I do see how they the TPD and DA sandbagged this case to protect an influential political donor and family.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:58 am to Placebeaux
The title of your thread is comparing Alabama to Baylor in reference to rape cover ups. Baylor was covering sexual assaults by athletes. This alleged assault involved a student and a 34 year old man from a wealthy family. He is not a student or an athlete. This girl didn't get the help she needed on any level but the vast majority of that falls on DCH and the Tuscaloosa Sheriff's Department. I've lived here all my life and both of those institutions are utterly worthless.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:07 am to 14&Counting
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So you live in Tuscaloosa? What is the view outside of the press and the players who can't really talk? What are people saying generally?
Most people think the connection to UA bit is overplayed and, frankly, unfair. She did receive counselling. She was escorted to the hospital and the sheriff's department by university officials. But, reasonably people agree that the university should have been more proactive in helping her pursue the case.
I don't think the revelations about the the DA's office and the sheriff's department surprise anyone - though, outside of this, the sheriff's office is pretty well respected and popular. The current DA used to be a public defender and he unseated the previous DA, so there was already some displeasure with the way the DA's office handled cases.
Everyone is pissed at the Bunns for putting them in this situation. I imagine UA is squeezing everyone to make this all be put on the Bunn family's shoulders.
Oh, and the mayor announced that he's running for governor.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:07 am to Iron Lion
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The title of your thread is comparing Alabama to Baylor in reference to rape cover ups. Baylor was covering sexual assaults by athletes. This alleged assault involved a student and a 34 year old man from a wealthy family. He is not a student or an athlete. This girl didn't get the help she needed on any level but the vast majority of that falls on DCH and the Tuscaloosa Sheriff's Department. I've lived here all my life and both of those institutions are utterly worthless.
I know its hard for you and other Bama fans to not think in terms of muh football team but try to see the similarities.
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Baylor was covering sexual assaults by athletes.
And Bama is covering sexual assaults by athletic donors. Its the same thing basically.
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This girl didn't get the help she needed on any level but the vast majority of that falls on DCH and the Tuscaloosa Sheriff's Department. I've lived here all my life and both of those institutions are utterly worthless.
And so are the university officials involved
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:12 am to Placebeaux
Sweet T Bunn is not an athletic donor. His rich Daddy and Uncle are because they run the company that his grandfather built. He's as useless as tits on a hog.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:13 am to Placebeaux
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I know its hard for you and other Bama fans to not think in terms of muh football team but try to see the similarities.
You are the only person who is thinking about football (and this is why it seems you are trolling). This whole situation doesn't seem to have anything to do with football and any such "collusion" as you say would hurt the regular administrative portion of the University much more than the AD department in my mind.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:13 am to HarryBalzack
This is ironic
I wonder if Bunn Construction benefited directly from any of those grants?
And she's on a sex offender task fource? Odd
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Leslie Abernathy began her six-year career with the Tuscaloosa County Commission in 2000 as a Program Manager for the Planning Department.During her first year of employment with Tuscaloosa County , she managed 8 grants and secured over 1.5 million dollars in grant funds.In 2001, Mrs. Abernathy was promoted to the position of Grants Administrator.In 2002 she became the Head Grants Administrator for the Tuscaloosa County Commission and to date has secured more than 4 million dollars for Tuscaloosa County . Mrs. Abernathy has traveled all over the United States attending conferences and has completed numerous grant management and programmatic training classes.She is a specialist in grant research, writing, implementation and administration for various types of grants such as community development block grants, transportation grants, energy grants and planning and economic development grants.Her expertise is in law enforcement grants.In addition to being a graduate of the distinguished Leadership Tuscaloosa program, Mrs. Abernathy is a member of the Citizen's Transportation Advisory Committee, the Children's Policy Council and the Tuscaloosa County Juvenile Sex Offender Task Force.She is also a past commissioner of the Tuscaloosa County Heritage Commission, as well as a past officer of the Junior League of Tuscaloosa.Leslie is a graduate of the University of Alabama - Birmingham . She and her husband Ron reside in Tuscaloosa, Alabama with their four children.
I wonder if Bunn Construction benefited directly from any of those grants?
And she's on a sex offender task fource? Odd
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:14 am to Placebeaux
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And so are the university officials involved
This thread could be a lot better without your incessant trolling and stick to discussing facts and developments instead of pimping your agenda of portraying Bama as Baylor.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:14 am to Iron Lion
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Sweet T Bunn is not an athletic donor. His rich Daddy and Uncle are
Oh well MY BAD.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:16 am to HarryBalzack
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Then why would you take the case to a grand jury if you don't have all the evidence in hand?
Two reasons.
One, is to absolutely get an indictment. In AL, the grand jury is absolutely the home turf of the prosecutor.
Two, to punt a bad case. This takes the pressure off the DA's office. The DA is elected remember. I've seen both. I have worked weak cases as an investigator that I could not in good faith sign a warrant on. I requested a grand jury review. People don't give a damn about the rule of law when they are mad.
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But, didn't she make a written statement? I mean, don't you have to do that to get any kind of serious investigation going in the first place? It's not like you can waltz into the sheriff's office and say "yo, I was raped," and they'll go out and start pulling in suspects without you having to swear that you were assaulted, right?
Spot on correct. What if she did provide a statement and it didn't match other evidence? Likely this would not be reported because it kills the story. Cops and prosecutors are not going to discuss it with the media anyway (if they are smart). Many reasons why and a main reason I can get into if you like.
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Do we know if they did or not? You can't make them answer the questions but you can make them sit down and be asked.
No, we don't know. We are relying on media reports and I don't like that. You can try to make them sit down and ask questions. A witness can still refuse. They were all at a pub too. They may not have been the best witnesses for either side.
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Sure, but any decent LEO would ask anyway.
Any evidence obtained would be suppressed.
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"I want an attorney" is the worst thing he can say.
It is the best and only thing he should say.
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I imagine that as an LEO you asked a lot of suspects stuff that they shouldn't have answered but they did and you were able to build a case based on their own stupidity.
Absolutely. Exactly why, I want an attorney is the best and only thing you should say. A cop that can talk to people is much more effective than a harda$$ type. Generally.
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I know investigators with the WANTF and they have a public ledger of cases and a private ledger of cases. That private ledger of cases contains the names of people who have come up in investigations and are suspected of being users or players behind the scenes. That's where they develop their list of probable suspects. There's plenty of fertile ground there to start chasing down the drugged angle, especially given that he was accused of a very similar act a few years earlier.
Dopers are different in that they typically have more interactions with law enforcement. If they had this on Bunn and I was his attorney I would tell the officers to make a drug arrest. If not, let's get back to this alleged rape.
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Depending on the outcome of the previous case, wouldn't that at least be the basis for a reasonable suspicion that would justify pursuing the other angles in this case?
No. I can post the applicable rules regarding this later if you like. Could a past investigation be used to develop leads or hard evidence in this case? Yes. However, that evidence has to exist in order to be presented. If not, the absence of evidence becomes exculpatory. (good for the suspect).
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:17 am to Placebeaux
The only person bringing up the athletic department is you. You want this to bring down Alabama athletics so bad that it's eating you up but this has zero to do with athletics.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:19 am to 14&Counting
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This thread could be a lot better without your incessant trolling and stick to discussing facts and developments instead of pimping your agenda of portraying Bama as Baylor.
Hey
1) This is my motherfricking thread. You dont like the topic, go start your own Alabama rape cover-up thread.
2) I have updated this thread with meaningful updates that are very relevant to the topic
3) I agree, it's bigger than just football. Baylor just happened to be covering for football players. Bama is covering for bigger fish so maybe in retrospect I should have said Penn State
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 12:42 pm
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