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re: Could The University of Alabama be the next Baylor. UPDATE:Another victim has come forward
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:43 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:43 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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you seem to have a genuine interest instead of just trying to troll bama fans
I will admit to a subtle cheap shot here and there but I actually am glad that is not the purpose of this thread.
While not an expert, I have a minimal working knowledge of how victims of sexual assault are supposed to be treated. They are weak and vulnerable and need to be walked through the process. People are in place to do this and it seemingly was not done, from any angle.
Anybody going to an emergency room for rape is swabbed for DNA. If thye were having drinks in the presence of their accused attacker they are tested for date rape drugs. We do not know if this did not happen or the results went missing.
Law enforcement personnel does not conduct sexual assault interviews if not qualified to do so. They are NEVER conducted in the lobby of the precinct. If a female is available she is obviously the best. Lacking a female, the victim is never bounced around to be interviewed by every swinging Richard in the building.
Most of the people responsible for her treatment, post attack, will have a chance, sooner than later, to be deposed. Those are protected by their actions by state law will have their chance to explain their actions when Uncle Sugar comes to T-town.
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:46 pm to Placebeaux
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If you and other bama fans could get past this troll theory this thread wouldnt be as long. We keep having to explain yhat the university has liabilities here.
I mean you are clearly trolling (that doesn't mean I believe everything you have said is false if you are confused) with the comments about her sorority sisters like you know what they are thinking and some other things that don't really warrant repeating, but that is fine.
The discussion over the past few pages has been good and has gotten more on topic compared with the beginnings of the thread. Its a big story which warrants discussion and doesn't need to be ignored.
Alabama has some potential liabilities - the info in the filings outlines the allegations against the title IX office and the counseling employees. I am very curious to see the findings on that. As I said it COULD be a lot bigger once all the information comes out - be sure to share any info that you come across.
At this point in time, the real story seems to be TPD and the DA Office based on the information available now.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:49 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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the comments about her sorority sisters
Her sisters are important here. They are outcry witnesses and many of their private conversations were documented through text messages. They will be deposed, at a minimum, by the feds.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:56 pm to Hangit
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I will admit to a subtle cheap shot here and there but I actually am glad that is not the purpose of this thread.
A base level is reasonable and expected in such a forum of course. The last few pages or half of the thread has been more on topic.
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Anybody going to an emergency room for rape is swabbed for DNA. If thye were having drinks in the presence of their accused attacker they are tested for date rape drugs. We do not know if this did not happen or the results went missing.
I think they said DCH never sent that for testing or didn't do it (maybe TPD didn't send it) - it was the first "what the frick" thing i read in the story as well.
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Law enforcement personnel does not conduct sexual assault interviews if not qualified to do so. They are NEVER conducted in the lobby of the precinct. If a female is available she is obviously the best. Lacking a female, the victim is never bounced around to be interviewed by every swinging Richard in the building.
That quote wasn't from this case based on anything i have been able to find and is part of why i was saying the trolls on both sides of the battle are distracting from the very real story.
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Most of the people responsible for her treatment, post attack, will have a chance, sooner than later, to be deposed. Those are protected by their actions by state law will have their chance to explain their actions when Uncle Sugar comes to T-town.
I am very curious to see what the depositions say relative to the filings - based on the filings,title IX officer and the counseling personnel failed (that part about requiring her to get medication just doesn't seem to make much sense logically, but who knows) - there isn't anything available right now to see relative to that like we have of the TPD interviews which are pretty glaring.
And as i said, the TPD / DA side of the story looks like it may be huge. I am very curious to see how it plays out.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:58 pm to Hangit
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the comments about her sorority sisters
Her sisters are important here. They are outcry witnesses and many of their private conversations were documented through text messages. They will be deposed, at a minimum, by the feds.
In what capacity - I am legitimately curious because she filed charges, what would they be deposed about?
Say what you want about Tuscaloosa culture, but the idea that her good friends would abandon her in such a situation is hard to comprehend.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:07 pm to Placebeaux
If you look at the video the accused is in, this dude REALLY likes himself. So inflated with self importance it can hardly be contained. His tone with those officers is very patronizing. West Alabama big shot. Asphalt barren :) King of the dipshits. He belongs in a dukes of hazard rerun.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:26 pm to Hangit
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I actually am glad that is not the purpose of this thread.
Start on page 1 and go forward. Actually just read the title.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:57 pm to Sneaky__Sally
First I just went back to search for it and campus police was not involved.
She discussed her assault with them through text, verbally, and phone calls. She actually was texting one girl while she was still in his room after he had passed out. There are many texts that have not come to light yet. They are more important to the criminal side of things.
For Civil, the LEO's never got her texts that I know of. They interviewed her with threats of arrest. They interviewed him apologetically.
This civil suit is federal so it doesn't matter if Bama's wee laws said the deputies are not responsible for their actions.
I need to know more details about the Title IX actions and inaction.
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sorority sisters
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what would they be deposed about?
She discussed her assault with them through text, verbally, and phone calls. She actually was texting one girl while she was still in his room after he had passed out. There are many texts that have not come to light yet. They are more important to the criminal side of things.
For Civil, the LEO's never got her texts that I know of. They interviewed her with threats of arrest. They interviewed him apologetically.
This civil suit is federal so it doesn't matter if Bama's wee laws said the deputies are not responsible for their actions.
I need to know more details about the Title IX actions and inaction.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:18 pm to Hangit
This case is about to fall apart:
LINK
Statement from the now cleared suspect:
W. Ivey Gillmore, an attorney for Terry Bunn Jr., said in a statement to AL.com that the lawsuit is "baseless and "simply false."
"Law enforcement investigated this matter; the district attorney's office reviewed the evidence; the evidence was even presented to a grand jury that found there was no justification for charges against my client. It is, perhaps, natural to want to find someone to blame when a young woman takes her life," Gillmore said. "But accusing law enforcement and those who counseled this young woman for her actions is misguided. Unfortunately, bringing this matter before the courts in this civil action will only prolong grief without changing the reality."
LINK
Statement from the now cleared suspect:
W. Ivey Gillmore, an attorney for Terry Bunn Jr., said in a statement to AL.com that the lawsuit is "baseless and "simply false."
"Law enforcement investigated this matter; the district attorney's office reviewed the evidence; the evidence was even presented to a grand jury that found there was no justification for charges against my client. It is, perhaps, natural to want to find someone to blame when a young woman takes her life," Gillmore said. "But accusing law enforcement and those who counseled this young woman for her actions is misguided. Unfortunately, bringing this matter before the courts in this civil action will only prolong grief without changing the reality."
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:35 pm to Five0
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those who counseled this young woman for her actions is misguided
It is always in poor taste to blame the victim. The other side sees it as failure to counsel the victim, due to his clients actions.
I saw a judge has been appointed. I wonder where he/she went to school.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:44 pm to Hangit
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I wonder where he/she went to school.
The judge or the attorney for Bunn?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:05 pm to Five0
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The judge or the attorney for Bunn?
The Judge. The attorneys alliance is to whoever has agreed to give him money. The fact that his statement places all blame on the victim tells exactly who he is.
ETA: Glad you showed up. You would be a great person to teach us about how a rape victim is treated by LE.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:23 pm to Five0
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"Law enforcement investigated this matter; the district attorney's office reviewed the evidence; the evidence was even presented to a grand jury that found there was no justification for charges against my client. It is, perhaps, natural to want to find someone to blame when a young woman takes her life," Gillmore said. "But accusing law enforcement and those who counseled this young woman for her actions is misguided. Unfortunately, bringing this matter before the courts in this civil action will only prolong grief without changing the reality."
Sounds like they are scared to me. The trump card was to charge Meagan with BS felony charges if she pursued a civil suit and scare her off, it worked but now that she is dead it no longer matters and they know a civil trial will turn up bigger crimes.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:36 pm to Placebeaux
What are these "bigger crimes" that you are predicting? Generally speaking.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:39 pm to nc14
Not just a rape but a rape and an institutional cover up.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:45 pm to Placebeaux
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an institutional cover up.
involving upper level UA officials?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:50 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Pretty stupid. Bar, drinking, off campus, accused not a student. Good luck.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:51 pm to Sneaky__Sally
And law enforcement
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:59 pm to nc14
Title 9 office negligence, harassment. Yeah nothing to see here. BIG donor.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:10 pm to Placebeaux
Jesus, Mary and Jospeh. I just got around to reading up on what this was all about. What a horrible, tragic, story. Any number of people should be shot on site because of this....horrible.
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