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re: Could The University of Alabama be the next Baylor. UPDATE:Another victim has come forward
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:21 am to Placebeaux
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:21 am to Placebeaux
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If I were a federal investigator I would start with Megan's sorority.
She had many texts with some of her closer sisters. The nature of these texts automatically makes them an Outcry Witness. LINK
Their verbal conversations will be sifted through as well. Understand that these girls lives are changed too. The testimony they give may carry heavy consequences in their futures.
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:25 am to Hangit
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The first person she saw told her she could not help her because she was personal friends with the accused's family. She then wrote in a report that she had heard of the family. Which is it?
i don't know - that was the grad student I believe (based on reading the filing document)
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The second person reportedly told her that she could not help her until she got on anti anxiety meds. Is this person a physician, able to diagnose and prescribe meds? A psychologist cannot, a psychiatrist can.
I vaguely remember seeing that but not sure exactly where, a lot of different info coming out but i don't know the answer to that.
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One article said it paid quite handsomely for TPD to turn the other way when Little T bagged another victim. Has this been verified yet? What is local rumor on that?
Does the law in Alabama really say that if a rape victim did not fight like a tiger, she was not raped?
How wealthy is this family? I have read the extent of their University ties and am just curious of the size of the pot of gold.
Honestly this was the first time I had ever heard of Bunn's family and my father worked in the city for nearly 15 years. So i don't know what the rumors are about these past pay offs - the family does seem to be very well off; however, I don't think they are shockingly rich - a family from Tuscaloosa and the entire Construction company has given somewhere from $100,000 - $500,000 to the University if you want to draw conclusions from that.
I can't really speak to how rape laws are written in Alabama or other places - based on articles i've read associated with this case the "resistance requirement" was common in the early forms of these laws. States have updated this, including Maryland earlier this year, hopefully Alabama will follow suit.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:26 am to Hangit
Right!
Do you see it as "Suspect" that these girls didnt even mention sexual assault or rape? You cant have an effect without a cause and rape was the cause. Why bring awareness to the effect and not what caused it? VERY SUSPECT.
Do you see it as "Suspect" that these girls didnt even mention sexual assault or rape? You cant have an effect without a cause and rape was the cause. Why bring awareness to the effect and not what caused it? VERY SUSPECT.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:40 am to Placebeaux
Because suicide is something you have greater control over?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:43 am to Sneaky__Sally
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I can't really speak to how rape laws are written in Alabama or other places - based on articles i've read associated with this case the "resistance requirement" was common in the early forms of these laws. States have updated this, including Maryland earlier this year, hopefully Alabama will follow suit.
Here is a good article on the rape law in Alabama.
It would seem to me the cops either mislead her or were just simply misinformed:
Alabama is one of the few states where "earnest resistance" remains a part of its rape statute. So investigator Jones was correct to cite the term to Megan Rondini. But he was wrong about its meaning.
A case styled Lucas v. State of Alabama (Ala. Ct. of Crim. App., 2016) is the most recent case to address the issue of earnest resistance. The court's holding came after it had addressed other issues commonly found in rape cases -- "consent," "force," and "intent to gratify." From the Lucas opinion:
`"Earnest resistance" is likewise a relative term, and when determining whether there was earnest resistance, the relative strength of the victim and the defendant, the victim's age, the victim's physical and mental condition, and the degree of force employed must be considered.' C.M. v. State, 889 So. 2d at 64 (citing Richards v. State, 475 So. 2d 893, 895 (Ala. Crim. App. 1985))."
As you can see, there is nothing here about a requirement to "kick or hit" the alleged attacker. Megan Rondini likely was smaller and less strong than "Sweet Tea" Bunn, she was younger than Mr. Bunn, evidence suggests alcohol had left her in a compromised physical and mental state, and Mr. Bunn allegedly pulled on her clothing, even after she said she did not want to have sex with him and wanted to go home.
Under Alabama law, Adam Jones had more than enough evidence to bring a solid rape case. It appears he simply did not want to.
We have found other case law that throws a wrench into Jones' contention that a rape victim must "kick or hit" her alleged attacker in order to bring a criminal case in Alabama. We will address that in an upcoming post.
LINK
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:46 am to pvilleguru
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Because suicide is something you have greater control over?
She committed suicide because she was raped and no one cared.
Her sorority sisters celebrating suicide awareness in her honor is like saying don't be like Meagan and get over it already, there are worse things in life than getting raped.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:48 am to 14&Counting
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Under Alabama law, Adam Jones had more than enough evidence to bring a solid rape case. It appears he simply did not want to.
Is her word considered evidence, or do I have a different definition than what the legal definition is?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:49 am to Placebeaux
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Her sorority sisters celebrating suicide awareness in her honor is like saying don't be like Meagan and get over it already, there are worse things in life than getting raped.
What? You can't be serious. Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:49 am to 14&Counting
Oh, so do you think there should have been charges/a case/possible conviction?
I wonder if what he wants has anything to do with what he should have done.
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Under Alabama law, Adam Jones had more than enough evidence to bring a solid rape case. It appears he simply did not want to.
I wonder if what he wants has anything to do with what he should have done.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:53 am to pvilleguru
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What? You can't be serious.
I am serious and dont show up here on page 27 and say Im not. Catch up.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:55 am to BRgetthenet
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I wonder if what he wants has anything to do with what he should have done.
And wasnt it Mr Jones that was in direct contact with the Title IX office at UofA? I think it was.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:04 am to BRgetthenet
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Oh, so do you think there should have been charges/a case/possible conviction?
I believe they did bring a charges and the grand jury declined to move forward. So a case was brought.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:16 am to 14&Counting
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I believe they did bring a charges and the grand jury declined
It went to the grand jury after her death. A prosecutor that wants to can have an apple core indicted for peeing on the governor's girlfriend.
Grand jury activity is conducted in secret.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:23 am to Hangit
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It went to the grand jury after her death.
OK....look no one is disagreeing the TPD and DA failed this woman.
You guys keep trolling inferring there is some collusion with the University which is bullshite.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:26 am to Hangit
Ya the Tuscaloosa PD and DA office may very well see major fall out as the story picks up more steam.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:39 am to 14&Counting
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You guys keep trolling inferring there is some collusion with the University which is bullshite.
His dad is a member of the "Invitation only" booster club that advises the University President on what to do. He is also on the board of regents (I believe) for a smaller university in the state system. They are major donors. They paid for a good chunk of Saban's mansion.
The accused was appointed by the governor to at least one state board. Their power runs deep.
Would you have me believe that every facet that the University was involved in was run by cavemen and circus clowns? That it is a coincidence that they failed this girl, and their jobs? Most of the darkness will come to light.
You are still in denial which is understandable and human. As more information comes to the public eye you will accept it and at some point, begin to heal. Understand though that it is not your fault.
Good luck.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:42 am to 14&Counting
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You guys keep trolling inferring there is some collusion with the University which is bullshite.
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Megan assumed the University of Alabama would support her and help her figure out how to move on, even if she couldn’t take Bunn to court. Instead, the institution she loved made her feel even more alone. (UA declined to discuss the situation, citing the “interest of protecting the deceased student’s privacy.”) The university’s Women and Gender Resource Center was first notified of Megan’s case the July night she reported she was sexually assaulted. A staff therapist named Kathy Echols wrote up an incident report, which listed the alleged perpetrator as “TJ Bunn.” When Megan returned to campus nearly two months later, Echols was the therapist who met her for a counseling session. That’s when Echols told Megan she knew the Bunn family and therefore had to recuse herself from the case, medical records show. (Echols’ own notes, obtained by BuzzFeed News, say she “recognized the family name.”) “I’m so fricking done I can’t even find a therapist in this town because everyone is ‘really great family friends’” with Bunn, Megan texted one friend afterward. She had no idea that investigators were also updating the university about the concerns law enforcement had with her allegations. First, they alerted the Title IX coordinator that there were “issues” with Megan’s case because she’d “admitted she took Bunn’s money” — the $3 — “and a gun out of his car.” “She also admitted to shooting the gun and we think it hit his house,” Lt. Kip Hart wrote in an email to UA three days after investigators interviewed Bunn. Before law enforcement sent Megan the letter formally closing her case, Hart once again emailed the Title IX coordinator to update her, saying the case would “probably be closed as unfounded.”
This cop is in direct contact with the university and he is also prejudging the case for the grand jury. Thats collusion.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:50 am to Placebeaux
No one is sticking up for the cop, but I don't see what the university did wrong in that text.
Did she try to seek counseling wherever she was during the 2 months after she reported the thing?
Did she try to seek counseling wherever she was during the 2 months after she reported the thing?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:55 am to pvilleguru
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but I don't see what the university did wrong in that text.
Its what they didnt do.
And why is that cop emailing the university about the $3.00 she took from Bunn's car? I'll tell you, so they would have legal leverage on her if she doesn't drop it.
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