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re: Bill Nye is quite upset over Noah's Ark in Kentucky
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:05 pm to cwill
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:05 pm to cwill
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Telling the ignorant they're ignorant and their attempts to spread their ignorance are a disservice to civilization is a "brown shirt" move? I wouldn't consider purveyors of myth as fact as "benign people".
I'm Christian and I believe this is fricking ridiculous and the literal beliefs of OT stories is fricking ridiculous.
However, your sentiment (and many atheists' sentiment) is somewhat worrisome. The belief that Christians spreading the gospel isn't benign implies you believe freedom of religion should be stripped or severely restricted.
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:08 pm to northshorebamaman
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Since they believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old, and they can't deny the existence of dinosaur fossils, they have to argue that man and dinosaurs coexisted.
This is why I argue that Protestantism harms Christianity more than it helps it sometimes.
At least the Catholic church believes in evolution and is not opposed to science.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:09 pm to Moustache
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This is why I argue that Protestantism harms Christianity more than it helps it sometimes
Prods are a very diverse lot theologically.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:11 pm to Moustache
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This is why I argue that Protestantism harms Christianity more than it helps it sometimes
That's an interesting view. Never thought about it before.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:15 pm to Moustache
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However, your sentiment (and many atheists' sentiment) is somewhat worrisome. The belief that Christians spreading the gospel isn't benign implies you believe freedom of religion should be stripped or severely restricted.
Things which may not be benign shouldn't necessarily be legislated against. Most atheists understand this intuitively because we are used to having more religious people say nasty things about our feelings on religion.
Freedom of religion relates to freedom of speech. There are no thought crimes. You can think what you want, and with the exception of causing harm (yelling fire in a movie theater, killing someone who believes different things about religion) you can say or believe what you want.
The problem with unrestricted dissemination of many religions is they have no respect for other speech or other things of value. They try to destroy or impugn the intellectual accomplishments, rights, or thoughts of others if they find them to be in conflict with their religion. This is functionally what has destroyed the advancement of the muslim world and is a (reduced) danger in the west when it comes to things like science.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:15 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Prods are a very diverse lot theologically.
Very true. THat's why there's like 30k+ of them. If one of them doesn't like the "rules" they just start a new one.
Oh, you're gay and your church doesn't believe in gays? Start a new church that allows gays.
You like fricking out of wedlock, but your church says it's bad? STart a new one!
You don't like the science and theological difficulty of the catholic church? Just quit, reject the science, and make up the "rapture" theology and young earth based on absolutely shite evidence.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:17 pm to Darth_Vader
Meh the atheists are pretty misguided on this one. Yeah the museum is retarded and yeah it's anti science but you don't get that out there by silencing them. You get that out by giving them a voice and letting the masses see how ridiculous it is.
The best thing Nye did was that debate (even though he didn't do great but he did good enough) it let everyone hear how ridiculous this bullshite is. Let them talk, give them a voice and then a microphone and let their ideas destroy themselves.
The best thing Nye did was that debate (even though he didn't do great but he did good enough) it let everyone hear how ridiculous this bullshite is. Let them talk, give them a voice and then a microphone and let their ideas destroy themselves.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:20 pm to molsusports
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is a (reduced) danger in the west when it comes to things like science.
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The problem with unrestricted dissemination of many religions is they have no respect for other speech or other things of value.
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Most atheists understand this intuitively because we are used to having more religious people say nasty things about our feelings on religion.
This is all true. However, atheists (mainly your neckbeard reddit types) can be quite hostile as well.
Some things that worry me as a Catholic is that since I'm branded Christian, people automatically assume I don't believe in evolution or science, which couldn't be further from the truth.
Another worry is forcing people to pay for insurance or provide insurance for their employers that provide for abortions and birth control. These are against Catholic beliefs and I shouldn't be forced to provide these services against my beliefs. People are free to work elsewhere or get their own plan.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:22 pm to LucasP
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Yeah the museum is retarded and yeah it's anti science but you don't get that out there by silencing them. You get that out by giving them a voice and letting the masses see how ridiculous it is.
Agree, and as has already been pointed out, the expense and difficulty of building this non-floating replica, if anything, just shows how ridiculous a literal belief in the ark story really is.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:23 pm to molsusports
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The problem with unrestricted dissemination of many religions is they have no respect for other speech or other things of value. They try to destroy or impugn the intellectual accomplishments, rights, or thoughts of others if they find them to be in conflict with their religion. This is functionally what has destroyed the advancement of the muslim world and is a (reduced) danger in the west when it comes to things like science.
That's not unique to religion. Try to question left wing orthodoxy on Farm or DU. For that matter, most Log Cabin Republicans will tell you they would much rather tell a Christian they're gay than tell a leftist they're Republican.
As far as the Islamic world goes, they weren't always backwards. Baghdad was a leading intellectual center. The secular Mongol empire is what threw the Muslim world into its version of the Dark Ages.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:27 pm to Moustache
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This is all true. However, atheists (mainly your neckbeard reddit types) can be quite hostile as well.
That's true. They have plenty of company on the opposite side of the aisle though. When it comes to behavior they (atheist or evangelicals) sit in the same pews of a different church. I will ask people who are annoyed by atheists to just tell them to be more polite if they are friends. I haven't had much luck with it with my born again friends but I have still tried. They frankly don't even understand how condescending and rude they can be to another person's ears.
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Another worry is forcing people to pay for insurance or provide insurance for their employers that provide for abortions and birth control. These are against Catholic beliefs and I shouldn't be forced to provide these services against my beliefs. People are free to work elsewhere or get their own plan.
Probably a separate discussion. I do think it is inconsistently applied when it comes to which things are being prevented from coverage. I have yet to hear about a Catholic group trying to prevent single people from getting treatment for STDs on their healthcare plan - and presumably that's the result of the same activity.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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creationism versus evolutio
If evolution is true, why are there still certain species on earth?
ETA: To make this clear, I do agree with certain aspects of evolution.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:29 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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The secular Mongol empire is what threw the Muslim world into its version of the Dark Ages.
I disagree with that. It has more to do with the teachings of their religious leaders. Especially doctrinal avoidance of creative or questioning thought and the destruction of their educated citizens as major intellectuals in disciplines of math and science.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:30 pm to peaster68
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If evolution is true, why are there still certain species on earth?
I hope this isn't an honest question.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:34 pm to northshorebamaman
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I hope this isn't an honest question.
I know.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:41 pm to monkeybutt
Not trying to be a dick, serious question that me and a friend were discussing the other day. Something I was hoping you fricktards could provide opinions to to get other people's perspectives. But frick that, I will just go research on my own and not value other people's opinions.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:45 pm to peaster68
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Not trying to be a dick, serious question that me and a friend were discussing the other day. Something I was hoping you fricktards could provide opinions to to get other people's perspectives. But frick that, I will just go research on my own and not value other people's opinions.
Not trying to be a dick either but that question is the number one giveaway that someone does not have a fundamental grasp of evolution. I applaud your intention to research it further. Many never do.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:51 pm to northshorebamaman
Many never do because of the rude responses they get when asking a legitimate question discourage them. I was never taught evolution in school. All I've learned(not much) has been on my own.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:55 pm to peaster68
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Many never do because of the rude responses they get when asking a legitimate question discourage them. I was never taught evolution in school. All I've learned(not much) has been on my own.
Again, wasn't trying to be a dick. Creationist throw that out as an argument all the time and it's hard to tell the disingenuous from the honestly curious.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 8:56 pm
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