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re: Back Surgery-Bulging Disc
Posted on 12/16/13 at 3:33 pm to Hopeful Doc
Posted on 12/16/13 at 3:33 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Hopeful Doc
Excellent post.
Regarding the MRI study of the asymptomatic lumbar spines, and I don't have it in front of me, but the percentage of subjects who had disc bulges was higher than 1/3 -------- more like 39%.
Not to correct you, but more for the readers to appreciate the prevalence of diagnostic anatomical findings that don't correlate clinically.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 3:36 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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I had a L5 disc problem, that made it impossible to stand for long periods at one point. A good chiropractor and physical therapist did wonders for me. Do whatever you can from a fitness, wellness, and core strength component before going under the knife.
This, and ice it a lot. Aleve and ice work wonders along with a good Chiro, a decompression table, and proper fitness.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:50 pm to TheZaba
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Please read this OP
I did. I was particularly commenting on this part:
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One ortho said he could help with the leg/butt pain, but the back pain would probably persist to some extent. The back pain is less than 20% of overall discomfort.
Which is why I explained that's radicular pain could possibly be resolved by surgery, but mostly why surgery should be a last resort. You are correct in pointing out that I did not mention that the radicular (leg in this case, but 'radiating down the path of a nerve' in general) pain is not necessarily 'cured' by surgery. I did, however, mention that this was a + for considering surgery. The leg pain, however severe, comes from a back issue that could very well be resolved by the things I mentioned. I do not personally know surgeons in Lafayette to refer the guy to. I would recommend catching Dr Holland (I think the first name is Michael) in his Crowley clinic (can't comment which days he is there), because I know that he keeps up with the literature and pushes off surgery as a last resort, which is kind of the consensus evidence-based approach. What I read of the OP looked like he wanted a slightly more knife-happy MD than he originally saw. I understand the concern of the patient and his relatives to pursue this, but, as both someone who reads recent literature on the subject and a person who suffers very similar symptoms due to an old injury, I simply couldn't walk by without pointing out why most doctors think surgery should wait.
Perhaps I am too big of a nerd. Or maybe I am missing something else. Apologies if anything I said offended you.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:52 pm to G Vice
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higher than 1/3 -------- more like 39%
Not to correct you
I love when my mistakes are pointed out. It's the best way to learn a little something new (and there is zero sarcasm there...I genuinely think that's the best way to learn)
Thanks
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:54 pm to ItzMe1972
Sounds like an honest surgeon. My neurosurgeon told me straight up, " We do neck and back surgery for arm and leg pain, not neck and back pain." I had a fusion done at C5-6-7, and in the long run I ended up with more problems than I started with. My neurosurgeon said he won't do fusions on the lower back - thinks it's a money grab that shouldn't be done by most docs who do them.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:08 pm to ItzMe1972
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My son is needing back surgery after trying conservative procedures first. The pain is in his butt and radiates down his leg.
Who are the best ortho or neuro surgeons in Lafayette?
One ortho said he could help with the leg/butt pain, but the back pain would probably persist to some extent. The back pain is less than 20% of overall discomfort.
I had a herniated disc along with one bulging, so a back surgery to remove a bit of the bone helped me out. Not sure about bulging disc---but i would say that stretches, therapy, anything before surgery would be the best option. Good luck to your son
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:08 pm to Hopeful Doc
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I did. I was particularly commenting on this part:
I think you misunderstood,.
The other poster was referencing your post and suggesting that the OP should read it.
His post:
"Please read this OP" was an entreaty to the OP to read yours
He was praising your post
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:09 pm to ItzMe1972
Cenac at Houma Ortho Clinic---did a fusion for me on L3/L4, it was like a miracle; had me walking within 6 hrs of surgery
Ended up with a titanium cage and have zero pain since. I got 5 different opinions before I chose Cenac.....
FWIW and best wishes to you both
Ended up with a titanium cage and have zero pain since. I got 5 different opinions before I chose Cenac.....
FWIW and best wishes to you both
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:21 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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BlackHelicopterPilot
Ah. I totally misread that, then. I thought he was suggesting I was off-base.
Thanks, pilot
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:23 pm to 911Moto
Back pain is much, much more difficult to treat than leg/radicular pain. A lumbar fusion should be a last resort and/or occur when there is spinal instability. I will say majority of patients that have a single level lumbar discectomy or anterior cervical fusion do very well (assuming they aren't worker's comp or suing someone). My advice is always expend conservative treatment. If you are still debilitated, then you need to explore your surgery options. Most lumbar surgeries are now done through a small tube with minimal muscle damage or bleeding. You usually go home that afternoon which is way different than they used to do even 10 years ago.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:23 pm to Hopeful Doc
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I totally misread that,
Doctors!
I, too, appreciated your contributions
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:31 pm to pooponsaban
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There is no such thing as a "bulging disc."
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Bones don't bulge.
Discs aren't bones, Doc.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:33 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I, too, appreciated your contributions
Always happy to attempt to contribute, even if I am kind of a jackass + overly defensive.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:35 pm to pdubya76
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OP...Do yourself a favor and get in contact with Dr Frank Cullichia @ Cullichia Neuro in Marrero.When my wife was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm we searched high and low for the best neurosurgeon in the Gulf South.I am so thankful we ended up there.He is one of the top neurosurgeons in the nation.He is also the head of Neurosurgery at the LSU Medical Center.You wont find better Neuro care in La. Cullichia Neuro
Listen to this poster. They have a team of 15-20 neuro's that all specialize in different fields. It's one of the best in the nation.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:49 pm to tgrbaitn08
THANK YOU ALL for your replies!
My son had been to the Chiro, GP, Physiast, PT, and Ortho over a 14 month period.
I am looking at the MRI and need to correct the bulging disk evaluation to include extrusion/herniation at L4-5. "There is a mass effect on the thecal sac and proximal left L5 nerve root."
The highly reputable PT was able to provide relief. But as stated earlier regression occurred when the sessions stopped.
We are not "knife happy" and have tried to explore the other avenues before even considering surgery.
And Doc, I also read that report that surgery provides some immediate relief, but at TWO years the surgery/no surgery conditions are the same.
Some of what I hear is that the longer the wait, the less effective the surgery may be. And, that possible nerve damage can occur.
My son had been to the Chiro, GP, Physiast, PT, and Ortho over a 14 month period.
I am looking at the MRI and need to correct the bulging disk evaluation to include extrusion/herniation at L4-5. "There is a mass effect on the thecal sac and proximal left L5 nerve root."
The highly reputable PT was able to provide relief. But as stated earlier regression occurred when the sessions stopped.
We are not "knife happy" and have tried to explore the other avenues before even considering surgery.
And Doc, I also read that report that surgery provides some immediate relief, but at TWO years the surgery/no surgery conditions are the same.
Some of what I hear is that the longer the wait, the less effective the surgery may be. And, that possible nerve damage can occur.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:51 pm to ItzMe1972
Definitely see neuro
Kelly Scrantz and Eric Oberlander are both excellent neurosurgeons in BR at the NeuroMedical Center
Kelly Scrantz and Eric Oberlander are both excellent neurosurgeons in BR at the NeuroMedical Center
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:58 pm to Sir Drinksalot
Seems like an inversion table puts so much traction on the ankle/knee/hip joints before giving any relief to your back. I would think that would decrease the stability of those joints
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:01 pm to LSU Tigershark
Idk. It makes me dizzy but damn...when you relax, the feeling is amazing.
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