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re: Appeals Court: Confederate monuments in NOLA to be removed.

Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:22 pm to
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Well blacks that returned from WWII were actually spit on so


So you're defending soldiers being spit on? Ok noted.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:28 pm to
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Well blacks that returned from WWII were actually spit on so


Not sure what the point is here?

My point was that soldiers serve regardless of whether they think they will ultimately win or lose. Often times they are conscripted and forced to serve. In Vietnam they were spit on for atrocities performed by others on their return home for simply wearing the same uniform as those who did the atrocities.

Now consider the average soldier who died during the civil war in the CSA. Was their death (often conscripted as well) any more or less worthy than that of the union soldier because of how some now view the CSA as a whole?

I guess your answer will say a lot about how you view honor and true service.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:31 pm to
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So you're ok with that? Did you think you're making a point there?
No, my point is to show that despite being as patriotic as possible blacks still were 2nd class citizens in the south and it stems from that confederacy
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:33 pm to
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No, my point is to show that despite being as patriotic as possible blacks still were 2nd class citizens in the south and it stems from that confederacy


Link? How do you explain racists from the Union-controlled areas?
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:36 pm to
They migrated from the south
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:39 pm to
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No, my point is to show that despite being as patriotic as possible blacks still were 2nd class citizens in the south and it stems from that confederacy


Slavery and racism have nothing to do with memorializing soldiers, especially CSA. There were racists and non-racists in both armies and slaveowners and non-slaveowners in both armies. Disrespecting warriors with no context of their personal lives or actions on the basis of the flag they flew under is wrong. Every warrior deserves to be remembered and memorialized.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:39 pm to
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No, my point is to show that despite being as patriotic as possible blacks still were 2nd class citizens in the south and it stems from that confederacy


What about how the north treated them?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:40 pm to
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my point is to show that despite being as patriotic as possible blacks still were 2nd class citizens in the south and it stems from that confederacy


Ever been to NYC? Or Philly? Or Baltimore? Or DC?

I don't recall the Confederates ever being there. Maybe you have information showing otherwise?

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Saturday, September 10, 2016
NEW YORK (WABC) -- A World War II veteran from the Tri-State area who valiantly served his country despite suffering racism in the Army has died.

Brigade General George Jones died this week. He was 93 years old.


Jones enlisted in the Army in 1939 when he was 16 years old. He fought in WWII and the Korean War.

In May 2015, he spoke with Eyewitness News reporter Michelle Charlesworth about the way he and his comrades were treated.

He said he was spit on and treated poorly -- and commanders would just turn their heads


LINK
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:44 pm to
Don't recall this happening much in those areas

Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:46 pm to
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He said he was spit on and treated poorly -- and commanders would just turn their heads
Being that it says clearly that commanders stood their, I'd assume this happened while he was serving. Could have been good ole boys . Just because he resided in the tri-state area doesn't mean it happened there. Use your context clues
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:47 pm to
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No, my point is to show that despite being as patriotic as possible blacks still were 2nd class citizens in the south and it stems from that confederacy


Democrats have been spitting on American soldiers of race, colors, and creeds. Happened in Vietnam too.

Point?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:49 pm to
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Just because he resided in the tri-state area doesn't mean it happened there. Use your context clues


And in the same breath you try and tell me this happened because of the Confederacy.

Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:51 pm to
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Don't recall this happening much in those areas


Holy spin Batman.

What does that have anything to do with saying CSA soldiers don't deserve the respect that Union soldiers get?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:53 pm to
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Link? How do you explain racists from the Union-controlled areas?


They didn't exist prior to the civil war apparently.

Except that they kind of did...

NYC 13 July 1863



Someone should look up NYC draft riots
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:54 pm to
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What does that have anything to do with saying CSA soldiers don't deserve the respect that Union soldiers get?
Because the overall view of the union is that they were fighting to free an oppressed people and the confederacy was fighting to keep them oppressed
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:55 pm to
I can post a picture from the south that is far more recent.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:57 pm to
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Because the overall view of the union is that they were fighting to free an oppressed people


I guess they forgot about the slaves that didn't get freed in the union until after the end civil war?

How much do you know about the differences between the 13th amendment and the emancipation proclamation?
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:57 pm to
I guess I'll just quote what I posted earlier a few posts up:

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Slavery and racism have nothing to do with memorializing soldiers, especially CSA. There were racists and non-racists in both armies and slaveowners and non-slaveowners in both armies. Disrespecting warriors with no context of their personal lives or actions on the basis of the flag they flew under is wrong. Every warrior deserves to be remembered and memorialized.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:57 pm to
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can post a picture from the south that is far more recent.


I can post a picture from the north that is far more recent too.







That's just from the 60s... There's lots more too
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 3:02 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 3:02 pm to
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I can post a picture from the south that is far more recent.


Right, racism is completely isolated to the south. You should just leave the thread before you embarrass yourself further.
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