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Any Military Officers here?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:50 am
I am a previously enlisted Marine, and have been considering going back in but changing branches. I have a degree, so am strongly considering Army OCS. How do you like being a military officer? How well does the military take care of your family? Is going back in something you'd recommend?
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This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:51 am to TDcline
Barack Obama Hillary Clinton argh argh argh
Just to get that out of the way
Just to get that out of the way
Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:56 am to TDcline
Why do Marines never go back into the Corps? They all seem to switch to the Army.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:00 pm to TDcline
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How do you like being a military officer? How well does the military take care of your family? Is going back in something you'd recommend?
Love it. Very well. Yes.
Just remember that there are only two branches in the Army: Infantry and Infantry support.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:17 pm to TDcline
I'm not military but was looking into OCS programs recently. Depends what you want to do but anyone wanting to fly right now should go Navy.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:18 pm to TDcline
Any particular reason why you wouldn't consider the Corps? The culture in the non-infantry (or combat arms) Army is very different from the Corps.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:20 pm to TDcline
Why change branches? If you go USMC officer route I can give you career advice but I'm totally in the dark on the other branches.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:35 pm to TDcline
I was an enlisted Marine, got accepted to USNA (since the Marines are part of the Dept. of the Navy); ended up going Navy when I graduated. This was 20 years ago, and I understand things have changed, but:
- Beyond pay, there tend to be better perks for officers in general when it comes to housing/housing allowance, etc.
- It can be reasonably rewarding and a steady career, though they do start weeding people out between 10-20 years if you get passed over for promotions / around the ranks of O4 to O6. My numbers may be off a bit... just citing this off the top of my head based on conversations with buddies. I've been out for a long time at this point.
- There tend to be pretty vibrant networks, sort of like alumni groups, of officers and former officers that help transition outbound officers into civilian careers in management and finance after service. So, even if you don't stay in, I find prior officers have a huge leg up getting accepted into various industries.
- Every branch will be a little different. Within each branch, different communities will be different. For instance, in the Navy, the officers in the air community (basically pilots & NFOs) have a comparatively better quality of life than surface warfare officers. And there's some jobs within surface warfare which lend towards an easier time than others (gunnery & weapons officers don't suffer as much as engineering jobs, as one example in my experience.) Army will obviously be different than the Navy or Marines. If you were a Marine, though, and you end up going Army infantry, you will have an idea of what to expect. If you transition to something like Supply or Intel, I'd expect it to be more laid back.
- As with any field-- military or civilian-- there's luck of the draw with regards to the people who you serve with. If you're stuck in a shitty command or two, it may seem a bad idea in retrospect. But you could also end up going to good commands and loving every minute of it.
- I liked the Marines better than the Navy. But my friends and classmates were always amused with my not being very Marine like (I always pushed the envelope with hair regulations and had a super relaxed un-Marine like disposition... mixed with a rebellious streak.) So, for me, though I liked the Marines better, I knew I wasn't going to be a gung-ho prototypical Marine, and decided surface navy was a better fit for me temperamentally. I was sort of right, but I also honestly hated being surface navy and ended up getting out as soon as I could. That being said, I also don't regret my choices.
Bottom line, officers do have direct advantages, and some indirect ones (in resume building). But you have to know you to know if it's a good idea, and there's always some factors of luck in how well things go for you in your commands... which affects your quality of life and potentially that of your family.
- Beyond pay, there tend to be better perks for officers in general when it comes to housing/housing allowance, etc.
- It can be reasonably rewarding and a steady career, though they do start weeding people out between 10-20 years if you get passed over for promotions / around the ranks of O4 to O6. My numbers may be off a bit... just citing this off the top of my head based on conversations with buddies. I've been out for a long time at this point.
- There tend to be pretty vibrant networks, sort of like alumni groups, of officers and former officers that help transition outbound officers into civilian careers in management and finance after service. So, even if you don't stay in, I find prior officers have a huge leg up getting accepted into various industries.
- Every branch will be a little different. Within each branch, different communities will be different. For instance, in the Navy, the officers in the air community (basically pilots & NFOs) have a comparatively better quality of life than surface warfare officers. And there's some jobs within surface warfare which lend towards an easier time than others (gunnery & weapons officers don't suffer as much as engineering jobs, as one example in my experience.) Army will obviously be different than the Navy or Marines. If you were a Marine, though, and you end up going Army infantry, you will have an idea of what to expect. If you transition to something like Supply or Intel, I'd expect it to be more laid back.
- As with any field-- military or civilian-- there's luck of the draw with regards to the people who you serve with. If you're stuck in a shitty command or two, it may seem a bad idea in retrospect. But you could also end up going to good commands and loving every minute of it.
- I liked the Marines better than the Navy. But my friends and classmates were always amused with my not being very Marine like (I always pushed the envelope with hair regulations and had a super relaxed un-Marine like disposition... mixed with a rebellious streak.) So, for me, though I liked the Marines better, I knew I wasn't going to be a gung-ho prototypical Marine, and decided surface navy was a better fit for me temperamentally. I was sort of right, but I also honestly hated being surface navy and ended up getting out as soon as I could. That being said, I also don't regret my choices.
Bottom line, officers do have direct advantages, and some indirect ones (in resume building). But you have to know you to know if it's a good idea, and there's always some factors of luck in how well things go for you in your commands... which affects your quality of life and potentially that of your family.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:41 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Because we did the hard shite already. Time for a break.
Why do Marines never go back into the Corps? They all seem to switch to the Army.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:44 pm to upgrayedd
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Why do Marines never go back into the Corps? They all seem to switch to the Army.
In my class at Annapolis, there was roughly 12 prior enlisted Marines. I think 10 of them went back into the Corps. Really... I think I'm the only one who went Navy. And there was one other guy who was an excellent Marine and a smart guy, who would have surely gone back to the Corps, except he had a calling of sorts and decided to leave and become a minister.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:48 pm to TDcline
I'm an officer, retired.
US Navy Commander, 3rd division Airborne infantry SEAL unit. Hoorah.
US Navy Commander, 3rd division Airborne infantry SEAL unit. Hoorah.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:29 pm to Teufelhunden
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Any particular reason why you wouldn't consider the Corps? The culture in the non-infantry (or combat arms) Army is very different from the Corps.
Yea, I enjoyed my time in the USMC and had considered going to Marine OCS. I reached out to a few of my friends who are now Marine officers and most of them didn't have much good to say. They loved being officers but just said that the OCS and TBS was bullshite. They were prior enlisted guys with combat deployments and had to go to OCS to get screamed at by instructors who were a rank or two higher.
My "Dear diary" story goes; I got a call from my company the other day saying they were downsizing and that i'm going to lose my job. My wife and I are expecting our first kid in March. I've been kicking around the idea for a couple of years now, but this just seems like a sign to go ahead and do it.
I'm only interested in the Army. I'd love to go AF but i'm more than 30% VA disabled so they won't accept me back in. I'm just not really interested in going into the Navy. I was on a Naval ship for a few months during one of my deployments, and it's just not something I think i'd be interested in making a career of.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:42 pm to TDcline
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OCS and TBS was bullshite
Well I wasn't prior enlisted and it still felt like bullshite. But knowing that will help you through it. TBS is definitely bullshite but there is good training to be had there.
As a prior you know the commitment it takes. Hopefully your wife is on board. Deployments are a way of life for Marines. This is going to sound crazy to many, but coming home was usually more difficult than leaving. Semper Fi
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:45 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Because all that nonsense the Marines tout may be good for their recruiting commercials, but people on the inside know better
Why do Marines never go back into the Corps? They all seem to switch to the Army.
OP: Army officer here. If you have a degree and are going back in, jump on the team for the big win and become an Army officer.
I don't know what your background is, but the Army obviously has the most options for you to find your niche.
And the Marine Corps is a fine service, but if you've deployed before you know that the Army leads the way in every war, so you will only expand your horizons in the Army.
Good luck.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:47 pm to TDcline
I'm a retired officer (2013), so my info is a bit dated. The biggest downside to Army OCS is that this cohort is the last to receive their branch designations, behind USMA and ROTC. Read "needs of the Army," which usually boils down to Quartermaster, Ordinance, Signal, etc.
There used to be two classes per year. The one that ended in the summer was screwed in this regard.
Not saying you couldn't snag a combat arms commission, but the odds are not in your favor.
There used to be two classes per year. The one that ended in the summer was screwed in this regard.
Not saying you couldn't snag a combat arms commission, but the odds are not in your favor.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:51 pm to King Teal
All other info is welcomed.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:52 pm to TDcline
Chesty Puller and Dan Daly would be upset about all you devildogs going to the army.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:53 pm to GarmischTiger
That's fine. I got my combat time while in the Marines. I'll be honest, i'm probably looking to do something like Intel, MP, or just something applicable to the civilian world in case I were to be forced out one day due to cuts.
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