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re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:58 am to redfieldk717
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:58 am to redfieldk717
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so people should wait until they are completely broken to seek out help...why wait?
you don't "wait" to be broken. you either are broken or you're not. like being schizophrenic
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why not get help before you flush your life down the toilet?
you see i agree, but 12-step recovery is not the way to "get help" and forcing people into such an extreme (and possibly offending) program KEEPS people AWAY from getting treatment. that's why i hate the domination of a single philosophy in the process and want to destroy that monopoly to allow more mild treatment methods specifically to allow more realistic and effective treatments for non-extreme cases
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Is this where people who think they know addiction come in and tell other people who don't anything addiction either what they think is true?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:00 am to Artie Rome
quote:Explain this user name to me please.
Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Artie's/Rome's in grand isle of course I assume?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:00 am to redfieldk717
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EVERYONE could benefit by working steps 2-12
if you're religious
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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you see i agree, but 12-step recovery is not the way to "get help" and forcing people into such an extreme (and possibly offending) program KEEPS people AWAY from getting treatment. that's why i hate the domination of a single philosophy in the process and want to destroy that monopoly to allow more mild treatment methods specifically to allow more realistic and effective treatments for non-extreme cases
not everyone can afford other options...clearly your opinion is driven by something that has happened to you personally, otherwise you are just spewing absolute non-sense
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
has nothing to do with religion...
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:01 am to Artie Rome
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Anyone want to open a treatment center?
and a Church....watch the money pile up!
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:03 am to redfieldk717
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not everyone can afford other options
again
this is due to the domination of the 12-step programs, especially in publicly-funded/supported programs
yet another reason why i hate this proliferation of a single philosophy, especially via government
how many public treatment centers in Louisiana don't require a 12-step process? how many treatment centers that aren't 12-step does Medicaid pay for? if there are any, it's going to be something like 1-2
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clearly your opinion is driven by something that has happened to you personally
nope
it's driven by data. cold, unemotional, and rational data
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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again, that's restating my problem. that's a problem. having one philosophy dominate so much, especially via government, is a problem
The only issue I have with 12 step is when it's court ordered. However, you can do alternative treatment to 12 step and it's usually on a sliding scale. AA most likely works better in conjunction with therapy, which many traditional 12 step long term programs will use.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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if you're religious
I am not religious. Tell me what part of being honest, facing your defects, seeking a release from those defects, mending relationships and helping others offends you.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's driven by data. cold, unemotional, and rational data
no it's not...your data doesn't support half of the shite you are saying on here. you have posted 2 articles and you think that is unemotional and rational data?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:06 am to The Mick
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Explain this user name to me please.
I think you got it.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:06 am to redfieldk717
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has nothing to do with religion...
steps that require religion: 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12
i mean this is the 12th step:
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Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
how can you have a spiritual awakening without religion?
or i'll put it another way. a material atheist cannot ever complete the 12th step, because to them there is no possible higher power or spirituality
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
you see i agree, but 12-step recovery is not the way to "get help" and forcing people into such an extreme (and possibly offending) program KEEPS people AWAY from getting treatment. that's why i hate the domination of a single philosophy in the process and want to destroy that monopoly to allow more mild treatment methods specifically to allow more realistic and effective treatments for non-extreme cases
no data, pure emotion and subjectivity
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
you see i agree, but 12-step recovery is not the way to "get help" and forcing people into such an extreme (and possibly offending) program KEEPS people AWAY from getting treatment. that's why i hate the domination of a single philosophy in the process and want to destroy that monopoly to allow more mild treatment methods specifically to allow more realistic and effective treatments for non-extreme cases
no data, pure emotion and subjectivity
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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how can you have a spiritual awakening without religion?
For real?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:07 am to Artie Rome
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Tell me what part of being honest, facing your defects, seeking a release from those defects, mending relationships and helping others offends you.
where did i say any of this offends me?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:07 am to Artie Rome
carry on
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
still not religion
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For real?
we may have differing definitions of spirituality
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