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Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted by JoshuaChamberlain
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:10 pm
What is left of Pickett, Pettigrew and Trimble's boys are hauling arse and/or limping back to the tree line from whence they came less than an hour before. Greeting them is the stubborn Robert E. Lee, repeatedly saying "It is my fault. It is all my fault."
Refusing the advice and suggestion of many of his officers to exploit the union left, the old man decided a head on assault across a mile of wide open wheatfields and pastures was a much wiser decision. When told he must "Look to his division..." After the repulse, General Pickett replied tersely to Lee, "Sir, I have no division."

Aside from some late afternoon cavalry engagements and skirmishing, this foolish assault ended the 3 day struggle in and around the crossroads town in Adams County Pennsylvania known as Gettysburg, giving General George Meade and his Union army their greatest victory so far of the war.

Though the war would continue on for nearly 2 more years, the loss at Gettysburg and the loss of Vicksburg the following day on July 4th would signal what many believed to be the turning point of the war.

Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
65517 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:18 pm to
Thanks for rubbing it in you goddam soulless Yankee bastard.

Eat a bag of dicks while you're at it.

Posted by JoshuaChamberlain
Member since Sep 2010
5258 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:21 pm to
Not rubbing it in. All stated was factual.
Had MANY ancestors on that field representing Georgia, Alabama and Texas.
I will never back down from my opinion that Lee was a stubborn fool and could have easily flanked the entire union army had he acted sooner and on the suggestion of Longstreet, Hood and many others.
People still so salty though. Them downvotes are flyin in my op.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 1:22 pm
Posted by MaroonWhite
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Member since Oct 2012
3689 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:24 pm to
On that same day, Pemberton began discussing the surrender terms of Vicksburg with General Grant.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:25 pm to
If the South had won we wouldn't have a lot of the problems we have nowadays in this country. Happy 4th of July.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70847 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:26 pm to
How much sooner could he have acted? Jeb Stuart was too busy joyriding in the days leading up to the battle.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
65517 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Not rubbing it in.
By posting it here, yes you're attempting to.
quote:

All stated was factual.
Who challenged its factual nature?

Just stahp, no one here cares to be lectured about the South's failure at Gettysburg.

Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:34 pm to
Actually, whichever general that Lee ordered to take Culp's Hill on the first day that flat out refused is a big reason the CSA lost that battle.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

no one here cares to be lectured about the South's failure at Gettysburg


I do. frick the south. Rich men conscripted poor men to fight the federal government for their cotton and slaves.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:42 pm to
Rich men still convince poor men to go fight battles for them today. So it's not like much has changed.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259875 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Rich men conscripted poor men to fight the federal government for their cotton and slaves.


North was no better. In fact, there were riots about conscription. It's all about the money.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98448 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:51 pm to
Such a lost fricking opportunity.

Such a waste.
Posted by AU66
Northport Al
Member since Sep 2006
3264 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:52 pm to
Ive never understood why this is left out of discussions on picketts charge, JEB Stuart was sent around to the Union rear and was successful in doing so but was stopped by Custer with a very small force, Stuart did not believe he would attack and did not assume a fighting position but continued in a narrow column making his numerical advantage not an issue, if Stuart attacks from the rear as planned and Pickett reaches the wall as they did the union force would have been at a huge disadvantage, the plan was actually sound, Lee had done bolder actions than this and won.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1886 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

Actually, whichever general that Lee ordered to take Culp's Hill on the first day that flat out refused is a big reason the CSA lost that battle.

Ewell was the General, but he didn't refuse. Lee's orders were to take the hill if deemed practicable. Ewell deemed it was not and he was probably right. By the time he was ready to attack, the Union already had occupied the heights.
Posted by JoshuaChamberlain
Member since Sep 2010
5258 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

AU66


Only a very small number of North Carolinians and a few Virginians made it to the wall.
The bulk majority were out of the fight before they even reached emmitsburg road which acted as a meat grinder of sorts as union artillery swept down both sides of the line from both flanks.
It was doomed from the start and under no possible scenario could that exact assault have succeeded.
Posted by AU66
Northport Al
Member since Sep 2006
3264 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 2:19 pm to
3000 stampeding horses in a suprise attack from the rear against a thinly held middle could have made a huge difference, your assuming those men would have remained firing at the confederates from the wall which i highly doubt they would have. You tend to turn around when faced with the possibility of a sabre in your back.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
8949 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 3:03 pm to
So it's Lee's fault we are stuck with Obama. Damn you Lee.
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

Not rubbing it in. All stated was factual.
Had MANY ancestors on that field representing Georgia, Alabama and Texas.
I will never back down from my opinion that Lee was a stubborn fool and could have easily flanked the entire union army had he acted sooner and on the suggestion of Longstreet, Hood and many others.
People still so salty though. Them downvotes are flyin in my op.


You, sir, are no gentleman.

LC
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52743 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

If the South had won we wouldn't have a lot of the problems we have nowadays in this country. Happy 4th of July.



Such a moron.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117678 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:10 pm to
Think Hillary wins?
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