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We need to address our safety play this off-season!
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:31 am
Our safety play this past year was one of the worst in the league. We tried to convert a corner to safety who takes bad angles and played two-hand touch and whiffed on every open field tackle. Dont even want to start on Harper! Can we bring Ed Reed home and draft a SS? Pleeease!
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Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:33 am to MISSIPSAINT
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We need to address our safety play this off-season!
Dear Safety Play this off-season,
You must be better, a lot better.
Thanks,
Chad504boy
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:39 am to Chad504boy
I'm marking you down as the 1st to say this. Its a big risk your taking son!
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:41 am to MISSIPSAINT
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Our safety play this past year was one of the worst in the league.
Not really. The outside linebacker play was probably worse.
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Dont even want to start on Harper!
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:44 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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Not really. The outside linebacker play was probably worse.
apparently Harper and Jenkins were rated last and 2nd to last among all starting safeties. Its a huge issue on our defense.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:46 am to Mouth
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apparently Harper and Jenkins were rated last and 2nd to last among all starting safeties. Its a huge issue on our defense.
I think Harper and Jenkins have the ability to raise the level of their play if the level of play around them increases. Corners need to play well and the front 7 of any D can make or break any secondary. But Harper still ain't worth his salary now.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:46 am to MISSIPSAINT
Thank you for registering and bringing a new perspective to the board!
ETA: a pass rush will help all of our DBs
ETA: a pass rush will help all of our DBs
This post was edited on 2/20/13 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:56 am to Chad504boy
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I think Harper and Jenkins have the ability to raise the level of their play if the level of play around them increases.
yeah, there hasn't been that much speed at OLB in a long time. It gives the safeties even more ground to cover, no wonder they miss so many tackles.
the thing that kind of bothered me was how Quddus and Rafael Bush could look a lot more comfortable back there when they got their chances as opposed to guys like Harper who makes way too much money. Jenkins has had his moments back there, especially in 2010 but this past year was pretty bad.
edit: Quddus and Bush looked more comfortable in passing situations than the starters is what I meant. the run defense was just flat out shitty no matter who was out there.
This post was edited on 2/20/13 at 10:05 am
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:58 am to LooseCannon22282
I don't think Harper and Jenkins can be decent.
They got passed up by their backups in the same defense.
They got passed up by their backups in the same defense.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 9:59 am to Chad504boy
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Front 7 on any D can make or break any secondary[quote]true! just dont think Jenkins is a true free safety! average corner but no ball-hawk
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:01 am to MISSIPSAINT
Did you just quote yourself while also quoting chad and made one big combined quote?
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:03 am to BarbeTiger
yea messed that one up.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:05 am to LooseCannon22282
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I think Harper and Jenkins have the ability to raise the level of their play if the level of play around them increases.
I always thought this, but then this happened:
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Quddus and Rafael Bush could look a lot more comfortable back there when they got their chances
So I'm not buying Harper and Jenkins' problems as the lack of talent around them. Harper and Jenkins' problems are Harper and Jenkins.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:07 am to mm2316
I just believe they aren't as bad they are made out to be. Our front 7 were pretty bad last year. Any kind of pass rush would be beneficial
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:08 am to LooseCannon22282
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the thing that kind of bothered me was how Quddus and Rafael Bush could look a lot more comfortable back there when they got their chances as opposed to guys like Harper who makes way too much money. Jenkins has had his moments back there, especially in 2010 but this past year was pretty bad.
Yep, and I'm suppose to sit here and wait for them to turn some corner.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:11 am to BarbeTiger
IAQ played with the same front 7 after Jenkins got hurt and was much better. I've posted the link and summary from PFF several times that show that.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:13 am to MISSIPSAINT
I think Spags screwed up this defense terribly last year. We saw Malcom Jenkins play really well at CB and rover his first year and he was ok at FS his second year. Last year he stunk, but it wasn't because of effort or talent. I think Spags just didn't know how to utilize him. I'm not prepared to say we need to get rid of him yet.
As for Harper, we know what we're getting with him. Good in run support, eh in coverage and awful at catching a ball. He is what he is. It could be worse.
IAQ actually played really well. I look forward to seeing him get more PT.
I'd love to get William Moore or Dashon Gholston, but I think the DC being upgraded will actually help the safety play this year if we don't upgrade talent wise.
As for Harper, we know what we're getting with him. Good in run support, eh in coverage and awful at catching a ball. He is what he is. It could be worse.
IAQ actually played really well. I look forward to seeing him get more PT.
I'd love to get William Moore or Dashon Gholston, but I think the DC being upgraded will actually help the safety play this year if we don't upgrade talent wise.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:28 am to mm2316
you know its bad when you have a Bama fan coming on here and taking shots at Harper...
The Jets.... should we? Thread
Harper can be good in the box or when he is blitzing but his lack of coverage skills and speed have been dreadful to watch for years now. I know the strong safety isn't always exactly a position that requires elite coverage skills but Harper just flat out made some mental errors in pass coverage and left his teammates out to dry at times. The touchdown pass to Tony Gonzales in the second Falcons game is one I can think of off the top of my head. He was supposed to help Lofton who already had pretty good position but instead just runs up the field to do God knows what and left a window for Matt Ryan to throw the pass.
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To easily speak on Eric Smith, he's a white Roman Harper, let that process for a second
The Jets.... should we? Thread
Harper can be good in the box or when he is blitzing but his lack of coverage skills and speed have been dreadful to watch for years now. I know the strong safety isn't always exactly a position that requires elite coverage skills but Harper just flat out made some mental errors in pass coverage and left his teammates out to dry at times. The touchdown pass to Tony Gonzales in the second Falcons game is one I can think of off the top of my head. He was supposed to help Lofton who already had pretty good position but instead just runs up the field to do God knows what and left a window for Matt Ryan to throw the pass.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 10:29 am to Suntiger
No question Spags killed this defense. His non-attacking scheme sucked. yes pressure on the quarterback will help. Speed on the edge will help out underneath but the ability for a SS and Lb is vital. We got burned over the top when Jenkins was back there.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 11:07 am to MISSIPSAINT
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Our safety play this past year was one of the worst in the league.
No it wasn't. Link?
It was the worst part of our defense after the dline, the linebackers, and the corners
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whiffed on every open field tackle.
Harper and Jenkins both led the nfl during the season at different times, not just safteys, the whole league, in tackles and finished at the top of the league. A testament to how horribly the front 7 played.
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Dont even want to start on Harper!
Because he is a better than average SS and you don't have anywhere to start?
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Can we bring Ed Reed home and draft a SS?
We don't have the money for ed Reed and Harper will be great for Ryan to work with in his system
It's no secret I defend Jenkins routinely on this board. And I'll continue to do so. I do think he needs to spend some time playing corner where he belongs. Definitely needs to rotate time with IAQ. He impressed me a few times last year. But he is a good player who is used wrong sometimes. But far from the worst on the team.
This post was edited on 2/20/13 at 11:20 am
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