re: Saints in Serious Trouble for next 5 years

Payton is a good coach but he doesn't use commond sense sometimes, most obvious was tampa game last year.

The Payton era at New Orleans will be very simular to the Air Coryell era at San Diego.
Great QB, hell of an offense but NO D. Go to a conf Chap game, to a few divisional games but without D your not going to make the next leap.

I would much rather have the 89-93 defense than this offense.

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A lot of Payton's weaknesses have been masked by a future Hall of Fame quarterback in Drew Brees

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Payton is responsible for Brees being here

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Payton is a good coach but he doesn't use commond sense sometimes, most obvious was tampa game last year

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Yep, he got bashed for being creative on a critical 3rd down in that game and we lost.

This year against Tampa, he goes conservative, runs the ball, doesn't get the 1st down, we punt and stop them to win the game. No one complains.

Against Washington, we do the the same thing we did the previous week, but we can't stop Washington and lose the game. Payton gets criticized.

Against Denver, we do the same thing again, we go conservative and run on 3rd and 1 and don't get it, miss the field goal and lose. Fans criticize Payton.

What is he supposed to do, he's damned if he goes creative, damned if he goes conservative. If Gramatica makes the field goal and we win, if we stop washington and win, if that reverse goes for a first down and we win, is Payton criticized then?

Air Coryell=Air Payton

Defense wins championships

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What is he supposed to do, he's damned if he goes creative, damned if he goes conservative. If Gramatica makes the field goal and we win, if we stop washington and win, if that reverse goes for a first down and we win, is Payton criticized then?

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Thats alot of ifs and should ofs

Not saying I don't like the coach but right now he is not getting it done. If he would get rid of Gibbs and get somebody who can coach a little D things could be alot different. Yes, that hangs on payton cause he should get a better D cord which is his responsiblilty

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Thats alot of ifs and should ofs

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think you missed the point, if we win, no one criticizes, if the play doesn't work, everyone comes out of the woodworks to hang Payton

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No, Miami passing on Brees b/c of his surgery is the reason Brees is here

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but it was still Payton's idea to bring him here....and he also wanted Romo. Say what you want about the man, but he has an eye for talent.

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but he has an eye for talent.

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Didn't he draft the 07 class?

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Didn't he draft the 07 class?

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yep, and the 06 and 08, which you conveniently failed to mention, not that the 07 class is bad, Meachem is rising, and Usama Young would be playing if not hurt

I guess it's debatable if you want to call them good, but i'll go with the ones who have made a significant impact, and which ones have great potential
06
Reggie Bush-Great Player, maybe Pro Bowler soon
Roman Harper-Starting safety, injury bug has hurt him

Jahri Evans-All Pro Guard

Zach Strief-Backup O-lineman, played well last week in place of Brown at Left Tackle

Marques Colston-he's okay, more catches in 1st 2 years than any receiver in history

07
Robert Meachem-Finally getting in the rotation this year, playing well, has a couple of huge catches in the 2 games he's played

Usama Young-Playing nickel and some starting corner when not injured

Marvin Mitchell- Backup MLB, played some early on, has shown ability to provide quality depth at the position, and could become a starter with more time

Jermon Bushrod- Backup O-lineman, nothing to show yet, but could with more time

08
Sedrick Ellis-Starting DT, shown excellent flashes of great playmaking, will be great for a while

Tracy Porter-starting CB, and has shown great potential to one day be a Pro Bowl CB, has made a mistake or 2, but most of the time is right on his man

Demarrio Pressley-DT, hurt for season, unknown at this point

Carl Nicks-in very short time has become 2nd string Guard, and will start this week

Adrian Arrington-flashes of brilliance until he had turf toe and is done for the year