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Ryan Kerrigan is still my choice at #24
Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:33 am
Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:33 am
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Purdue DE Ryan Kerrigan recorded one of the top ten-yard splits at the NFL Scouting Combine, registering a 1.65.
Kerrigan also impressed in the forty (4.71) and on the bench (31 reps of 225). While one draft analyst in particular has questioned Kerrigan's "stiffness," we don't have any concerns that he'll be a disruptive, and perhaps even dominant NFL pass rusher. He's almost certainly going to be a top-27 pick.
I've been on record having said that he's been the player I have wanted all along in the draft and I pray he is still on the board at #24. I think the crazy/quiet/strong white boy is exactly what this defensive front needs. Then add a big run plugger DT in the 2nd round like Stephen Paea, then I think you'll see our average LB corp get a hell of a lot better. I also like to assume Casillas can be Vilma's right hand man :fingerscrossed:.
and I don't want to hear the Jeff Charleston comparison... b/c Kerrigan deffinitely has the skills set to be a great 3 down DE in this league (I'm looking at you Blues
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Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:46 am to Mouth
Doubt Paea is still there in second
Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:59 am to tigerguy121
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Doubt Paea is still there in second
I tend to agree that's why I was referring to a DT most like Paea.
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Then add a big run plugger DT in the 2nd round like Stephen Paea
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:12 pm to Mouth
quote:+1
Ryan Kerrigan is still my choice at #24
When i brought up his college numbers i was told they didnt matter, he supposedly wasnt the athlete that the other DEs in the draft were. Then he outperforms them at the combine...
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:20 pm to eyeran
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he supposedly wasnt the athlete that the other DEs in the draft were. Then he outperforms them at the combine...
exactly. He has the perfect build and skill set to dominate in the NFL. and who knew he was that fast!
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Kerrigan recorded one of the top ten-yard splits at the NFL Scouting Combine, registering a 1.65.
Kerrigan also impressed in the forty (4.71) and on the bench (31 reps of 225)
these numbers are sick. the 1.65 ten yard split is one of the best times in combine history for a DE.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:37 pm to Mouth
not as sick as Vernon Gholston...
4.58 40yd
1.53 10yd
37 reps
he's a free agent too!
4.58 40yd
1.53 10yd
37 reps
he's a free agent too!
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:43 pm to Mouth
I think the idea that some of these guys, who should be 3-4 DEs, sitting around 290 lbs are gonna come in and rush the passer in the NFL is ridiculous.
All you have to do is go down the list of sack leaders in the NFL. None of them are built like Cam Heyward, or Cam Jordan, or Watt, or Bailey.
The only exception is Suh
All you have to do is go down the list of sack leaders in the NFL. None of them are built like Cam Heyward, or Cam Jordan, or Watt, or Bailey.
The only exception is Suh
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:52 pm to Mouth
He won't be there at 24. Probably somewhere between 15 & 20
This post was edited on 3/1/11 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/1/11 at 2:03 pm to eyeran
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When i brought up his college numbers i was told they didnt matte
no you were told comparing 4 year totals vs 3 and 2 years totals was an unfair and invalid comparison.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 3:18 pm to tigerguy121
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no you were told comparing 4 year totals vs 3 and 2 years totals was an unfair and invalid comparison.
...
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think ya need to go beyond statistics in evaluating football players- all the more so for lineman. As said, most scouting reports on Kerrigan will note limited athleticism and techniques as a pass rusher.
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+1
And if you only want to compare the last 2 or 3 years, thats fine, Kerrigan still had better numbers than everybody else
This post was edited on 3/1/11 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 3/1/11 at 3:38 pm to eyeran
Going beyond /= don't matter
Stats are one part of the equation, not the be all. Blues point was that certain college systems are going to inflate #s. Do u deny this or do u think all those Texas tech QBs who threw for 5,000 yards a season got a raw deal?
Stats are one part of the equation, not the be all. Blues point was that certain college systems are going to inflate #s. Do u deny this or do u think all those Texas tech QBs who threw for 5,000 yards a season got a raw deal?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:10 pm to tigerguy121
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Blues point was that certain college systems are going to inflate #s.
I'm not sure exactly what y'alls previous conversation was about. but exactly how does a DE's college stats become inflated? now QB's and RB's I completely understand where certain inflation's come from, but a DE in the big 10 conference??
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:28 pm to Mouth
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but exactly how does a DE's college stats
plenty of defensive schemes can cause #'s to become infalted. 1 gap vs 3 gap DT, 3/4 DE vs 4/3 DE. The offense u play against can cause a # fluctuation. Playing Texas Tech is going to produce a lot more chances for sacks as opposed to playing GT who only throws the ball 15 times a game. And it's not just schemes but respobsiblities in that scheme. A DE for one team could be a strongside DE who is tasked with playing the run as opposed to the weakside DE who is just going to rush the passer. ETA and it's not just saying Kerrigan's stats were inflated, you look at why the other guys maybe had lower stats.
And it's not just schemes why you should look beyond the stats, Level of competition, talent level of an individual's own teammates, quality of coaching recieved at college, all reasons why college stats should not be the sole determining factor in deciding who to pick.
This post was edited on 3/1/11 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:32 pm to tigerguy121
Guy, just say you dont like Kerrigan, its fine.
Because now you're just talking total nonsense.
Come back when you've broken down all those schemes and shite for every defensive end in the draft. Because im sure thats how you came to your opinion on Kerrigan
Because now you're just talking total nonsense.
Come back when you've broken down all those schemes and shite for every defensive end in the draft. Because im sure thats how you came to your opinion on Kerrigan
This post was edited on 3/1/11 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:35 pm to eyeran
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Guy, just say you dont like Kerrigan, its fine.
Because now you're just talking total nonsense
already said I don't like Kerrigan for the Saints. The Saints have a 250 pound DE by the name of Junior Galette we don't need another at the cost of a 1st round pick.
And if you disagree thats your opinon but just saying it is nonsense shows you sticking your head in the sand rather than discuss anything. Knock yourself out with that.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:36 pm to tigerguy121
Junior Galette = Mid first round pick
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:47 pm to Mouth
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Then add a big run plugger DT in the 2nd round like Stephen Paea
no shot in hell he's there I'm afraid
This post was edited on 3/1/11 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:49 pm to eyeran
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The only exception is Suh
Mario Williams laughs at you
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:56 pm to tigerguy121
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A DE for one team could be a strongside DE who is tasked with playing the run as opposed to the weakside DE who is just going to rush the passer.
right. so then you just draft accordingly. for example, if it's a pass rushing DE you're looking for like the Saints are, then a player like Kerrigan with "inflated" pass rushing stats, who's only job was strictly to get to the QB will naturally stand out over other DE prospects when being scouted. Of course its always better if a DE is great at getting to the QB and stopping the run but whats wrong with only needing a player to one thing and do it great?
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And it's not just schemes why you should look beyond the stats, Level of competition, talent level of an individual's own teammates, quality of coaching recieved at college, all reasons why college stats should not be the sole determining factor in deciding who to pick.
I completely agree with this. Its stupid to not take every aspect into consideration when scouting a player. but first things first is that you must get noticed by your performance on the field (i.e. stats) and then the evaluation of competition, team talent, coaching ect ect comes into play.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:58 pm to St Augustine
quote:And i laugh at you. Mario Williams wasnt even top 20 in sacks this year.
Mario Williams laughs at you
And when this year's Mario Williams drops to 24, let me know. I'll go pick him up and drive him to the facility
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