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People really need to understand trade value, especially draft pick value
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:51 pm
A late first round pick and an early to mid second round pick (which is likely for Denver next season) comes out to about 1100-1200 points in draft value. A mid third round pick is in the range of 175-200 points. That's literally all the Saints gave up. Payton was never an asset that could be used on the field and was never coming back, so you're not giving him up.
In terms of useful assets, the Saints basically traded a third round pick for a first and a second. I suspect that the Broncos were originally offering just a 1 and a 3, but a second is more than twice as valuable as a third.
This is all on top of the fact that both Payton and the Saints had strong bargaining positions - it has to be recognized that he had leverage. If the Saints demands are too much, they could lose out on negotiating partners and Payton goes back to Fox, leaving the Saints empty-handed in next year's first round.
As someone pointed out, there was a very limited number of teams who met the requirements of having the the willingness to give up picks and control for Payton. Would that number have increased or decreased in 2024 if the Saints played too hard and the Broncos walked? Who knows, but that's a huge risk for a team with serious cap issues that needs to rebuild with first round picks to maximize the five year rookie contract.
In terms of useful assets, the Saints basically traded a third round pick for a first and a second. I suspect that the Broncos were originally offering just a 1 and a 3, but a second is more than twice as valuable as a third.
This is all on top of the fact that both Payton and the Saints had strong bargaining positions - it has to be recognized that he had leverage. If the Saints demands are too much, they could lose out on negotiating partners and Payton goes back to Fox, leaving the Saints empty-handed in next year's first round.
As someone pointed out, there was a very limited number of teams who met the requirements of having the the willingness to give up picks and control for Payton. Would that number have increased or decreased in 2024 if the Saints played too hard and the Broncos walked? Who knows, but that's a huge risk for a team with serious cap issues that needs to rebuild with first round picks to maximize the five year rookie contract.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:52 pm to Damone
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As someone pointed out, there was a very limited number of teams who met the requirements of having the the willingness to give up picks and control for Payton.
Compensation, making Payton the highest paid coach in the NFL, and giving him control.
To act like it was easy to find a buyer for that is silly.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:53 pm to DBG
It's easy bro. All you do is shout at them louder.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:54 pm to Damone
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I suspect that the Broncos were originally offering just a 1 and a 3, but a second is more than twice as valuable as a third.
Saints were asking for two 1sts. They should have settled on a 1st and 2nd once Denver got desperate. Just my opinion. Especially considering the 1st they have now is almost a 2nd.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:54 pm to saintsfan22
I’m on to spending hours on the PFF mock draft simulator now
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:00 pm to Damone
pick #29 sucks though. may as well be a 2nd
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:04 pm to Damone
People on this board live in fantasy Madden drafting/trading world. The Saints had no leverage and had to get as much as they could.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:05 pm to Damone
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an early to mid second round pick (which is likely for Denver next season
Stop posting
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:08 pm to DBG
They like tanner McKee in our range. What you think?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:28 pm to msstate7
I feel like McKee is a measureables QB. Last two seasons his completion percentage, TDs and yards per attempt both dropped, while his yardage and INTs went up.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:32 pm to beauchristopher
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Saints were asking for two 1sts. They should have settled on a 1st and 2nd once Denver got desperate. Just my opinion. Especially considering the 1st they have now is almost a 2nd.
Yep. No reason not to at least get that. Denver was almost going to hire demeco ryans lol
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:34 pm to Mouth
Find me a team in the top half of the first round that would've parted with their pick. I'll wait.
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