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re: Payton's Inexcusable Timeout Management
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:08 pm to Eternalmajin
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:08 pm to Eternalmajin
quote:
I'd love to hear all of these people saying the 2:01 timeout was brilliant explain the reasoning behind taking it there and saving ONE second with a timeout. I get that it worked out in the end, but I still don't think a timeout is worth a single second there.
This thread seems played out (8 pages) but I really regret missing it. I'd love to converse with the OP over a beer to flesh out why he feels so passionately that it was the wrong decision.
In summary, your timeouts are more valuable when the opposing team has the ball than when you have the ball because your offense can expedite the time running off between snaps, whereas your defense is powerless to do so.
So a timeout when your defense is on the field saves nearly 40 seconds, but a timeout when your offense is on the field in hurry-up mode only saves about 10-25 seconds because you can always spike it, hurry the play, etc.
And the "2 minute warning" caveat is irrelevant to this discussion. That's what I don't think the OP and his supporters realize. It's a finite occurrence that will happen regardless. It isn't a part of this discussion/debate.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 5:16 pm
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:18 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Second half, he calls a timeout before Hartley's game-tying kick, effectively giving the 49ers the option to use the 2 minute warning to throw/run to the middle of the field and stop the clock.
Then he inexplicably calls a timeout at 2:01 and some people are praising him for this? I know this board doesn't care about things like statistics and percentages, but he traded a timeout to save 1 second. Had Kaep not matched his bone-headedness by running out of bounds, we would have had no timeouts for the final drive.
frick, you are dumb
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:19 pm to TheSexecutioner
I hope this was a joke. Please let it be a joke.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:20 pm to LasVegasBandit
this alter ego is growing on me Alejandro. Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:20 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
frick, you are dumb
Is it as simple as the OP not grasping that Payton wasn't saving "one second" but rather saving "one play"?
That play is worth anywhere from 15-40 seconds depending on how quickly our offense was able to get to the line and run an additional play next time we were without a timeout, correct?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:27 pm to LasVegasBandit
Not to mention sf is powerless to review a play until after the two minute warning
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:27 pm to LasVegasBandit
It makes no mathematical sense to use a timeout with 2:01 seconds. No matter how you try to spin it you are only saving 1 second. I never have understood the logic of calling a timeout seconds before the 2 min warning.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:29 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Why is he getting a pass on his Miles-esque TO usage? Just because we happened to win?
He called a timeout on a play that was automatically reviewable in the first half. One might think he would realize what a fool he was being and turn TO calling duties to somebody with a brain, but nope.
Second half, he calls a timeout before Hartley's game-tying kick, effectively giving the 49ers the option to use the 2 minute warning to throw/run to the middle of the field and stop the clock.
Then he inexplicably calls a timeout at 2:01 and some people are praising him for this? I know this board doesn't care about things like statistics and percentages, but he traded a timeout to save 1 second. Had Kaep not matched his bone-headedness by running out of bounds, we would have had no timeouts for the final drive.
Pathetic for a coach earning a salary that big. More pathetic that there isn't more awareness in the fan base to demand an explanation.
-TheSexecutioner
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:33 pm to samaham
quote:
It makes no mathematical sense to use a timeout with 2:01 seconds. No matter how you try to spin it you are only saving 1 second. I never have understood the logic of calling a timeout seconds before the 2 min warning.
See, every time I think I get it and start to feel convicted, somebody makes a post like this and I get all confused again.
The one outside-the-box caveat is that it's almost undeniable that by the Saints putting all their eggs in the tiemout basket on that series, you almost guarantee that San Francisco is going to run the ball on that last play so as to hopefully burn as much clock as possible, so that's a non-quantitative aspect of the benefit of taking it at 2:01.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:37 pm to LasVegasBandit
They get paid the big bucks to make these decisions! I just was always good at math, maybe not football?? 
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:44 pm to samaham
It makes mathematical sense if we want them to pass. It can also save us 1 second. 1 second > 0 seconds
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:45 pm to samaham
The genius of the timeout wasn't how many seconds it saved/lost. It was the influence on SF second down play call. Payton forced the game into Kap's hands and everybody knew it. Everyone knew it was going to be a pass and the d-line almost won the game on that play. Atthat point CSP trusted his defense and Harbaugh didn't.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:50 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Pathetic for a coach earning a salary that big. More pathetic that there isn't more awareness in the fan base to demand an explanation.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:51 pm to LasVegasBandit
Long time lurker, first post here.
I read all 8 pages waiting to chime in and you stole my thunder. It wasn't the 1 second we saved, it was the fact that we made the 9ers run another play before the 2 min warning.
I thought CSP did the right thing.
I read all 8 pages waiting to chime in and you stole my thunder. It wasn't the 1 second we saved, it was the fact that we made the 9ers run another play before the 2 min warning.
I thought CSP did the right thing.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:52 pm to Dats Who
quote:You're batting 1000 right now, friend.
Dats Who
Posted on 11/18/13 at 5:57 pm to Hoodoo Man
Well, I guess it's all down hill from here.
Thread hijack - who is it that helps with avi's? 'Mouth' ?
Thread hijack - who is it that helps with avi's? 'Mouth' ?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:17 pm to TheSexecutioner
Wow, and you were very wordy in your nonsense......
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:17 pm to Fun Bunch
Payton's time management was pure brilliant. If he let's the clock go down to 2:00 before the tying FG, then SF would have gotten the ball back with about 1:55 left. The way it happened, we started the game winning drive with 1:48 left. Payton knows what he's doing.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:17 pm to TheSexecutioner
Let me see if I understand this correctly...
Our head coach managed the clock so that we had a timeout to call with :03 remaining, giving us a chance to end the game with a go-ahead field goal...
And you have found a way to disapprove of this?
Holy frick dude.
Our head coach managed the clock so that we had a timeout to call with :03 remaining, giving us a chance to end the game with a go-ahead field goal...
And you have found a way to disapprove of this?
Holy frick dude.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 6:32 pm to GeauxPack81
quote:
Second timeout was also pointless. All it does is allow the opposing team the ability to throw the ball without a negative consequence time-wise. If you wait till the 2 minute warning then they have to choose.
The point is you don't want them to have a choice! Why would you want your defense to wonder whether they are going to go for the 1st by throwing, or run the ball (and the clock) to make you burn a TO? By taking clock management out of the decision-making process on 2nd and 19, you essentially force them into a throw, which played right into the Saints' hands considering the way the game was going.
After forcing them into passing on 2nd, odds were pretty good that 3rd down would be long yardage too, so the 49ers were pretty much forced to try to get the first, once again. After all, what's the difference in giving the Saints the ball with 1:41 with 1 timeout, or 1:41 and no timeouts? Not a big difference, and easily worth the chance of actually converting the first to either run more time or possibly even get in FG range. The fact that Kaepernick fricked his team even more by scrambling out of bounds is beside the point.
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