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re: NFL.com's Chad Reuter Mock Draft
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:22 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:22 pm to goatmilker
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Thats the major difference I see. And why I like Barnett a little more. Taco may or may not have a higher ceiling and he looks like a fine player but I don't think he has the repertoire in getting to the QB right now that Barnett has.
And that's actually why I don't like Barnett as much. I'd rather a player who can physically whip tackles' asses instead of relying on speed to get sacks.
See? It's just a fundamental difference in what we like in edge players. Stats don't matter.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:23 pm
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:26 pm to BigBrod81
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He was basically equal to Michael Sam in terms of athleticism. Taco is more gifted than both Sam & Jones
Wasn't trying to compare them. I was saying Jarvis had shite work ethic, while I never heard that about Taco.
It's why I wouldn't completely lose my shite if we took him. I'd just prefer the safer pick at this point.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:31 pm to bonethug0108
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I'd just prefer the safer pick at this point.
It's definitely a safer pick in terms of hype and stats. I actually think it's a riskier pick once you pull back the curtains. I firmly believe that Barnett is an oversized 3-4 linebacker. I think he's going to run into a bunch of problems in the NFL playing DE. When he was asked to drop back in coverage he was actually pretty damn good. A few times I saw him actually cover a WR (like Josh Reynolds of A&M). He'd be perfect in that role IMO.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:32 pm to bonethug0108
I think Taco's length is a huge asset and disruption presence. Barnett was a productive rusher but does not have anything special regarding moves or edge speed. I think his pass rush becomes really average quick in NFL and has a much lower ceiling than Taco projection wise
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:35 pm to rmnldr
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It's definitely a safer pick in terms of hype
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:36 pm to Chad504boy
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I think his pass rush becomes really average quick in NFL and has a much lower ceiling than Taco projection wise
Yep. Taco doesn't look like Myles Garrett or Jonathan Allen in terms of build or size but the guy is straight up arse whooping tackles/guards in terms of strength. That's something I don't see in Barnett or even Solomon Thomas consistently. Malik McDowell is similar to Taco in a way. Not very polished but will destroy whoever is lined up in front of him.
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goatmilker
Don't know why you're laughing. Brandin Cooks was hyped up and look how that went. Beckham wasn't talked about in the same way. Some people see all of this hype around one prospect and fall into groupthink. That's what happened with Rankins.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:38 pm to rmnldr
Depending on skill, most teams ask their rush end to drop in coverage some. Hell when Will Smith was young we did this with him quite a bit. We did it with Galette. We did it with Kikaha.
There is almost no effective difference between a 4-3 and 3-4 these days with how athletic players are now.
More important is how the front aligns and if they one gap or two gap.
Barnett can DEFINITELY be a 4-3 rush end.
There is almost no effective difference between a 4-3 and 3-4 these days with how athletic players are now.
More important is how the front aligns and if they one gap or two gap.
Barnett can DEFINITELY be a 4-3 rush end.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:40 pm to bonethug0108
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Barnett can DEFINITELY be a 4-3 rush end.
Oh yeah no doubt. I'd just prefer him to have help on the inside in a 3-4 front or standing up with two/three space eaters next to him in a 2-4-5 or a 3-3.
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There is almost no effective difference between a 4-3 and 3-4 these days with how athletic players are now.
It really depends on the player. Some guys just cannot cover.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:44 pm to Chad504boy
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I think Taco's length is a huge asset and disruption presence.
Agreed and why I think Chandler Jones is a good comparison for him (only Taco is a lot heavier). Those arms can reach in for strips and batted balls.
I agree that Barnett has a lower ceiling, but I don't think he rush will be average. I think it will be above average but not more than that.
It's why I think Okafor is a good comparison for him (only I see him as being better).
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:45 pm to rmnldr
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Brandin Cooks was hyped up and look how that went.
C'mon Cooks is good stop trolling.
I'll be happy with either player.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:46 pm to Chad504boy
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Barnett sack numbers are right there w a bunch of NFL busts and duds
Reading is fundamental too.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:49 pm to BigBrod81
So far apparently the only thing Taco has on Barnett is length.... Which doesn't seem to really matter because scouts are raving about Barnett's ability to sink his hips, maintain speed and dip under and around defenders. We aren't looking for a project what if guy . We need a consistent proven pass rusher opposite of CAM. Which is Barnett.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:49 pm to rmnldr
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It really depends on the player. Some guys just cannot cover.
No doubt. But many of these rush ends were LBs at some point (HS and/or college) so they have some experience with that.
And many teams also try to teach them to cover, as you can see what we did with Galette and Kikaha. I think we tried to throw too much on Kikaha at once though. It took us a few years to start putting Galette in coverage.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:50 pm to goatmilker
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C'mon Cooks is good stop trolling.
Good for a second or third round pick. There's Brandin Cooks (plural) in every draft.
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So far apparently the only thing thing Taco has on Barnett is length.... Which doesn't seem to really matter because scouts are raving about Barnett's ability to sink his hips, maintain speed and dip under and around defenders. We aren't looking for a project what if guy . We need a consistent proven pass rusher opposite of CAM. Which is Barnett.
Taco is stronger.
More physical.
Better in run defense.
And he uses his hands better.
Barnett is a pure edge rusher. He bends the edge. He gets low. He's got good speed.
Taco is a full time DE. He's great in run defense. He whoops OL at the point of attack and tracks the ball carrier.
Taco has a much higher ceiling than Barnett does. His floor is probably near Barnett's as well. It isn't as one sided as you think it is.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:51 pm to BigBrod81
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Reading is fundamental too.
So is making points which you haven't done so
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:52 pm to rmnldr
Last post here.
You couldn't say anything more stupid.
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Good for a second or third round pick. There's Brandin Cooks (plural) in every draft.
You couldn't say anything more stupid.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:53 pm to rmnldr
This is like saying your ex girlfriend isn't that hot. Breaux, your ex was pretty damn hot.
Cooks is a top 15-20 WR in the NFL and he's only 23. There's no telling how good he can be in the future
Cooks is a top 15-20 WR in the NFL and he's only 23. There's no telling how good he can be in the future
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:53 pm to bonethug0108
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No doubt. But many of these rush ends were LBs at some point
That's where I think there's a distinction to be made. Barnett is a pass rush guy. That's what he does.
Taco is an all-around DE.
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This is like saying your ex girlfriend isn't that hot. Breaux, your ex was pretty damn hot.
Cooks is a top 15-20 WR in the NFL and he's only 23. There's no telling how good he can be in the future
I never liked Cooks, especially in the first. I think you can get a guy like him in any draft. He's good but he's not great.
Look no further than Mike Thomas for an example of WRs in the draft. Not overly hyped but came in and won the job day 1. WRs are the new RBs in the NFL.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 7:55 pm to rmnldr
I agree. Barnett is much more one dimensional than taco and his good dimension has legitimate questions to how it transfers to NFL
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