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re: Kamara should have been traded

Posted on 11/3/24 at 4:41 pm to
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 4:41 pm to
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He was used as a rb which is the position he played. But hey, yall continue to make excuses.


What excuse? Utilizing players to their skill set is what it’s all about. If not, let’s have Derek Carr run the option, why not?

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You have a 40 time to verify that? Most players don’t have the same speed after 7/8 years in the league.


Watch the games. Tell me his long catch and run against Dallas looked any different than any previous year.

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What does that have to do with 2024?


He was 4th in 2024 before today and tacked on another 200
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465642 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:18 pm to
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. It can be cleaned up a lot by 2026 and fully by 27. Triplett had a good article on it.


I'm reading it right now and

1. He has almost no details

2. He makes assumptions for 26 onward that ignore the impacts of his 25 vagaries.

Just one example: Ram

First, he assumes Ram would agree to a min salary-post June 1 cut scenario, which is no guarantee.

Second, he ignores that by making it a post-June 1 cut, $12M in dead money gets pushed to 2026 (when he gets to 2026).

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What is most notable about New Orleans’ 2026 cap figure is that it includes a $50 million non-guaranteed salary for Carr in 2026 and $18.5 million in non-guaranteed money for Lattimore in 2026. Both players seem likely for trades, releases or pay reductions between now and then.


Carr will have so much fricking dead money tied up, a $50M salary may not cover it. Carr has a $30M base and $10M roster bonus in 2025. His dead money in 2026 is already $28.6M. How are we going to get under the 2025 cap without pushing most, if not all, of that $30M onto 26 and the 3 void years? Let's just convert $28M to make the math easier, that adds $7M to 2026 (so now $35.6M in dead cap) with $21M added to post-2026 (so 2026 dead cap hit is now $38M while he's not under contract).

That's why I keep saying we'll probably have to extend Carr this offseason, not set up some cut in 2026 scenario.

Latt is going into 2025 with $31M in dead cap before we restructure his $16M base salary. You can do the same math for him like Carr

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Depending on how much dead money the Saints add to Carr’s and Lattimore’s totals if they restructure their contracts in 2025, the Saints could save up to $40 million against the cap by cutting or trading both players in 2026.


And add $70M in dead cap to 2027?

For instance, if the Saints cut or trade Carr after this season, his 2025 cap figure would only drop from $51.5 million to $50.1 million (all dead-money charges). However, he would be off the books forever after that. The $30 million non-guaranteed salary he is due in 2025 would never hit their books in 2025, 2026 or beyond.

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They could actually save Carr’s guaranteed $10 million roster bonus as well if he is traded or winds up making that much money with a new team since it includes an offset clause.

Likewise, if the Saints cut or trade Lattimore, his 2025 cap cost would increase from $31.4 million to $31.7 million. But then he would be off the books forever, and the Saints would never have to add his $18M in non-guaranteed salary to their books.

And if they cut or trade Jordan, his 2025 cap cost would increase from $20.1M to $24M. But then he would be off the books forever, and the Saints would never have to add the $11M portion of his salary that’s not guaranteed.


None are possible being 80M over the cap already.

This is what we should have done with AK, but now we have almost $37M more in cap impact post-2024 ($10.1 in 25, $18.6 in 26, and $8M void impact)

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To make this work, the Saints would have to restructure almost every other contract on their roster to absorb all of that dead money. But it would take nearly $70 million off the future books


a. I'm not sure if this is even mathematically possible. We would have to do incomprehensible things like

1. Extend 35 year old Taysom Hill (who has an expiring $10M base)
2. Extend 33 year old Tyrann Mathieu (who has an expiring $6.25M base)
3. Restructure Ruiz (which means he'll have to be kept longer)

b. This would mean 2026 already has $61.8M in dead cap from Carr/Latt/Cam (add in Ram and that's almost $74M)

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Obviously, the Saints would never go that extreme. But they could do it with one or two of those players. Other candidates include Hill (due a non-guaranteed $10M in 2025), Mathieu (due $7.25M with $1M guaranteed in 2025), Davis (due $8.25M with $4.25M guaranteed in 2025) and Nathan Shepherd (due a non-guaranteed $4.82M in 2025).


Yeah we're going to have to do little moves like this to get under the cap for 2025. Post June 1 cuts (kicking lots of can to 2026) that would save about $37M. We still have $30M to go.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:30 pm to
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Second, he ignores that by making it a post-June 1 cut, $12M in dead money gets pushed to 2026 (when he gets to 2026).


Over the cap calculator shows $12mm in 2025 savings, and $14mm in 2026

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Yeah we're going to have to do little moves like this to get under the cap for 2025. Post June 1 cuts (kicking lots of can to 2026) that would save about $37M. We still have $30M to go


Yes, that’s the path. Little by little. You have $24mm in space in 2025, and $200+ in 2027. Eat away at those numbers on the players you MUST do it with. Draft better, add quality free agents on the margins, and hire a good coach.
Posted by Chief Hinge
There and Here
Member since Sep 2018
3201 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:31 pm to
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If I was the 49ers, I’d have went after him. Him and Mccaffery together would kill it in that offense.


Ok, Tardy McDuhcap
Posted by Front9back9
Member since Jun 2020
302 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:16 pm to
If we were any good it would have been a fine signing. But we are not any good, so it’s a bad signing. Too expensive for us. He’s not going to make our current team advance to/in the playoffs for the time of his contract. Management doesn’t seem to think past the current year when they sign players. Same with Cam Jordan. This is due partly because you get fired if you are not currently doing well, so why plan for the future.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
29855 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:18 pm to
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What excuse? Utilizing players to their skill set is what it’s all about. If not, let’s have Derek Carr run the option, why not?


What the hell is his skill set then. His best qualities are his balance and vision. If you want to say the offensive line was an issue and holes weren’t there then I can accept that. The not used correctly is bs.

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Watch the games. Tell me his long catch and run against Dallas looked any different than any previous year.


Yes but that wasn’t some play that was showing exceptional speed or anything.

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He was 4th in 2024 before today and tacked on another 200


Usage. I also already said he looked much better starting last year and looks good this year. Just lacks speed. But I’m not this Kamara hater like yall think. I’m at home cheering when he does well. I just watch a lot of football and don’t see the special player I saw at the beginning of his career. He can still get the job done but he’s not a top 5 player at the position like someone else said earlier.
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
22834 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:22 pm to
Yo Aug. the salary cap is a joke. It means nothing. It’s just a number. It doesn’t keep us from signing players.

The right coaches is the issue. Not the salary cap.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
78572 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:36 pm to
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What the hell is his skill set then. His best qualities are his balance and vision. If you want to say the offensive line was an issue and holes weren’t there then I can accept that. The not used correctly is bs.


His best attributes are vision and balance. His best skill set is operating in space. The last 2 years, he was slammed in the A gap over and over.

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Yes but that wasn’t some play that was showing exceptional speed or anything.


Right, same as he’s ever looked. Yet his numbers are what they are.


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you slurped McCafferey for years despite him being the ultimate usage merchant
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