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re: Has Reggie Been a Bust
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:29 am to novowels
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:29 am to novowels
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Because those are yards he earned.
i will count punt return yards when every fair catch gets counted as a carry
including kick return yards is fricktarded. an average return is 18-20 yards. do you know how badly that will skew your numbers?
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You can list the return yardage for AP, Forte, Thomas Jones and LT if you'd like too.
they are too valuable to return kicks, so they don't return kicks
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Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:31 am to novowels
Bush frees up alot of pressure off of Brees Colston Moore and Shockey cause defenses have to be aware of Reggie whenever he is on the field.
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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fricktarded
hey, i like this. i will use it soon.
SFP, bottom line is Bush is a valuable player and is viable to have on the field for 4 quarters. If you don't agree that he is a threat and a great option to have on your offense, then you are just stupid and just want to hate on the guy. You'll just have to get over the money situation, cause it aint his fault. Like I said about Meach, it was out of his control. These players don't decide where they get drafted. Get over it.
This post was edited on 7/23/09 at 10:34 am
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:33 am to whodatfan
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is there a point here? that's 1000+, not 1800. you lose. try again.
1,000 as a rusher and an inferior back to johnson, forte, and LT (maybe not westbrook)
we're not even including the receiving yards they'd get
you CAN run in this offense. we HAVE to run for this team to win.
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would never happen no matter the back.
how can you say this with a straight face?
800 yards receiving in that gimmick role is not hard, especially for a durable back. at only 10 ypr that's 80 receptions, which reggie has proven is very capable in this offense
that means 1200 yards rushing, which at 4.5 ypc is only 267 carries or so
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:33 am to Ibleedblackandgold
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Bush frees up alot of pressure off of Brees Colston Moore and Shockey cause defenses have to be aware of Reggie whenever he is on the field.
then why has the offense not really lost a beat when reggie was out hurt?
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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how can you say this with a straight face?
800 yards receiving in that gimmick role is not hard, especially for a durable back. at only 10 ypr that's 80 receptions, which reggie has proven is very capable in this offense
that means 1200 yards rushing, which at 4.5 ypc is only 267 carries or so
Ha, ha, ha. Cause I got you sucka!! So you DO agree that bush is capable of those numbers. Man, it took a little reverse psych but you put it out there.
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:37 am to whodatfan
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So you DO agree that bush is capable of those numbers.
no
i'm talkin about chris johnson, matt forte, etc doing this
notice i said 4.5 ypc? yeah i'll believe that with bush when i see it
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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i will count punt return yards when every fair catch gets counted as a carry
Fine by me. Bush only had 3 fair catches last year.
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they are too valuable to return kicks, so they don't return kicks
These guys could not return punts. They're great between the tackles runners but no way you're gonna convince me that they'd be good punt returners.
Bush is more dynamic
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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800 yards receiving in that gimmick role is not hard, especially for a durable back. at only 10 ypr that's 80 receptions, which reggie has proven is very capable in this offense
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:40 am to novowels
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but no way you're gonna convince me that they'd be good punt returners.
reggie has been a mediocre/shitty punt returning for the vast majority of his career
take out the minnesota game and do people even bring up his "Great" punt returning?
*ETA: and chris johnson is just as, if not more, dynamic than reggie. so was LT pre-toe injury
This post was edited on 7/23/09 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:40 am to novowels
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These guys could not return punts. They're great between the tackles runners but no way you're gonna convince me that they'd be good punt returners.
Bush is more dynamic
this is true
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:41 am to whodatfan
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which reggie has proven is very capable in this offense
yes but that's only half of it
4.5 ypc? reggie has not shown he can do this
267 carries? in your fricking dreams
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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800 yards receiving in that gimmick role is not hard, especially for a durable back. at only 10 ypr that's 80 receptions, which reggie has proven is very capable in this offense
that means 1200 yards rushing, which at 4.5 ypc is only 267 carries or so
you said this. YOU SAID THIS. take it back then...
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:47 am to whodatfan
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bush isnt a threat at rb and never has been. he has had a handful(if that) of successful games as a rusher in 3 years
The key word there is 'capability'. Bush hasn't been able to break many long runs in his first 3 years, but that doesn't mean the potential isn't there. It only takes one big play to change the course of a game.
I'm sorry, but this is pretty bad logic. Using this logic, I have the 'capability' to break a long run in the NFL. My take is somewhere in the middle of the RB Haters and RB Knights.
RB is a below average running back. He is an above average receiver who catches passes out of the backfield. He's a better than average punt returner.
Problem is that he WAS drafted as a running back and he WAS compared to Gayle Sayers and Walter Peyton and he WAS the second pick overall. I don't care how they use him, he needs to be a better running back if they keep lining him up at running back. If not, just move him to WR and bring in a guy who can actually run the ball because the defenses don't have to prepare for crap except screen and swing passes when RB is in the backfield.
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:51 am to whodatfan
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you said this. YOU SAID THIS. take it back then
what are you talking about?
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
easy. read the fricking quote. you are sooooooo fricktarded.
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:54 am to whodatfan
the quote was about yards from the line of scrimmage
you're picking out half of the equation
i said that a good RUNNING back could get 2,000 total yards from the LOS in this offense
reggie has not shown he can get 4.5 ypc
reggie has definitely not shown he can carry the ball 267 times in a season
you're picking out half of the equation
i said that a good RUNNING back could get 2,000 total yards from the LOS in this offense
reggie has not shown he can get 4.5 ypc
reggie has definitely not shown he can carry the ball 267 times in a season
Posted on 7/23/09 at 10:58 am to Suntiger
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RB is a below average running back. He is an above average receiver who catches passes out of the backfield. He's a better than average punt returner.
Problem is that he WAS drafted as a running back and he WAS compared to Gayle Sayers and Walter Peyton and he WAS the second pick overall. I don't care how they use him, he needs to be a better running back if they keep lining him up at running back. If not, just move him to WR and bring in a guy who can actually run the ball because the defenses don't have to prepare for crap except screen and swing passes when RB is in the backfield.
I agree that he was overhyped coming out of college and hasn't come close to reaching his potential as a running back so far. He must improve in that area.
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The key word there is 'capability'. Bush hasn't been able to break many long runs in his first 3 years, but that doesn't mean the potential isn't there. It only takes one big play to change the course of a game.
I'm sorry, but this is pretty bad logic. Using this logic, I have the 'capability' to break a long run in the NFL.
I don't see a big problem with this logic. I was just saying that Bush has the speed, quickness and other intangibles that point to him breaking big runs; more so than most other running backs in the NFL.
Suntiger, I'd like to see how you match up with Bush on the field. You're clocking a solid 4.4 now I'm assuming?
Posted on 7/23/09 at 11:02 am to whodatfan
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These guys could not return punts. They're great between the tackles runners but no way you're gonna convince me that they'd be good punt returners.
Bush is more dynamic
this is true
Just looking at other similar running back/punt returners from last year: Kevin Faulk, Darren Sproles, Leon Washington and MJD all had 10 yards per punt return or more as well as performing kick off returns and all those guys averaged more yards per carry at running back than RB.
Posted on 7/23/09 at 11:08 am to novowels
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I was just saying that Bush has the speed, quickness and other intangibles that point to him breaking big runs; more so than most other running backs in the NFL.
Suntiger, I'd like to see how you match up with Bush on the field. You're clocking a solid 4.4 now I'm assuming?
Besides "powerbacks", don't all running backs have speed, quickness and other intangibles? Potential/Capability doesn't mean crap until he actually does it. Those things usually get people fired.
As for my skills, I'm on TD so of course I run a 4:39 and bench 500+ lbs.
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