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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by Hazelnut
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:36 pm to
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Their IQs are lower on average. They have a higher percentage of fatherless households. They commit more than their fair share of violent crimes. Is it racist to point out any of this? Actually, I don't care what your answer to that question is so don't waste your time.

I'll still answer because I actually like having a civil debate even if yall wanna get pissy.
No it is not racist at all. Those are facts. Those are real issues. The disparity in our arguments come in when you ask what caused that cycle or culture of failure?
Posted by Morgus
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:36 pm to
Start by telling your people to stop committing so much crime.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:37 pm to
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Their IQs are lower on average. They have a higher percentage of fatherless households. They commit more than their fair share of violent crimes. Is it racist to point out any of this? Actually, I don't care what your answer to that question is so don't waste your time.



You say that & you seem proud of that, but do you ever theorize to yourself why all that aligns?
Posted by Hazelnut
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:43 pm to
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A white MD is going to outearn the frick out of a black african studies phd. You need to compare apples to apples if you'd like to try to make a point.

ETA: I have a friends that are married and both with advance degrees in social work. I make more than them combined with just a BS. You can't just assume all degrees are equal

That's fair. I guess I overlooked just how much disparity there can be between advanced degrees. But still, that assumes that that is the cause of those differences shown in the graph. Which may or may not be the case.

But I will throw out that graph from my argument even though I think there is plenty other, more detailed statistics out there. But I probably shouldn't have used that graph when arguing to people who are very skeptical of my argument. My bad on that one
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:44 pm to
Do I ever wonder why blacks have lower IQs? I would guess it has something to do with the environment they lived in for centuries compared to the environment that whites lived in. It's easier to survive without much planning in warmer weather than to survive in a harsher, colder climate with Ice Ages and what-not.
Posted by Hazelnut
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:46 pm to
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Do I ever wonder why blacks have lower IQs? I would guess it has something to do with the environment they lived in for centuries compared to the environment that whites lived in. It's easier to survive without much planning in warmer weather than to survive in a harsher, colder climate with Ice Ages and what-not.

So you think that white people, on average, have superior IQs because they have a greater ability and capacity to learn given the roots of their ancestors?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:48 pm to
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That's fair. I guess I overlooked just how much disparity there can be between advanced degrees. But still, that assumes that that is the cause of those differences shown in the graph. Which may or may not be the case.


You're right, the obvious answer isn't it. It must be systemic oppression. There is no helping perpetual victims that look in every direction except the mirror.
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But I will throw out that graph from my argument even though I think there is plenty other, more detailed statistics out there. But I probably shouldn't have used that graph when arguing to people who are very skeptical of my argument. My bad on that one


Don't say you have damning evidence of systemic oppression if that garbage graph is all you have. Not trying to sound rude. But that is a major implication to be made with such little evidence to back it up.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:49 pm to
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So you think that white people, on average, have superior IQs because they have a greater ability and capacity to learn given the roots of their ancestors?


Do you not believe in evolution? Blacks seem to have gotten superior athletic abilities on average compared to other races. Or is that just our imagination?
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:52 pm to
It's harder to survive in colder, harsher climates than it is in warmer climates. The whites with lower IQs who couldn't plan ahead for harsher times died off. I've read that the Ice Ages hit parts of Asia even more harshly and that's why they have higher IQs than Europeans, on average.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Hazelnut
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:56 pm to
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Don't say you have damning evidence of systemic oppression if that garbage graph is all you have. Not trying to sound rude. But that is a major implication to be made with such little evidence to back it up.

It's one statistical flaw that I overlooked. Doesn't mean my entire point is wrong or that there isn't better data out there. It's not all or nothing. I didn't see that graph and go "oh my god there is systemic racism". That graph was just something that I was sent today and though would be a relevant part of this argument.

I concluded that systemic racism was real through hearing experiences of others, personal experiences of seeing normal everyday white people judge blacks on a daily basis, and also through statistics. I provided a weak one here, but there's other data out there as well.

If you want to believe that an entire faction of people are refusing to look themselves in the mirror and simply try harder to break that cycle, then fine. But one would think that less black people (especially the ones that "Made it") would be so passionate about this if it weren't legitimate.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:58 pm to
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Do I ever wonder why blacks have lower IQs? I would guess it has something to do with the environment they lived in for centuries compared to the environment that whites lived in. It's easier to survive without much planning in warmer weather than to survive in a harsher, colder climate with Ice Ages and what-not.


You need to decide if want to have big boy thoughts or not.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:59 pm to
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It's one statistical flaw that I overlooked.


I mean, there's plenty more factors that go into it. And if you missed that big giant one, why should we take anything you say seriously?
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Doesn't mean my entire point is wrong


I'd argue it does just that.
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I concluded that systemic racism was real through hearing experiences of others, personal experiences of seeing normal everyday white people judge blacks on a daily basis, and also through statistics. I provided a weak one here, but there's other data out there as well.


Well I conclude that you're full of shite. Both conclusions carry the same weight.
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If you want to believe that an entire faction of people are refusing to look themselves in the mirror and simply try harder to break that cycle, then fine. But one would think that less black people (especially the ones that "Made it") would be so passionate about this if it weren't legitimate.


What about the black people that think this is bullshite too? Their opinions don't count?
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:00 pm to
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So you think that white people, on average, have superior IQs because they have a greater ability and capacity to learn given the roots of their ancestors?


Do you not believe in evolution? Blacks seem to have gotten superior athletic abilities on average compared to other races. Or is that just our imagination?


That's fine if you want to hide behind evolution as a way of justifying it. But just know, there's a group called the KKK that was founded based on beliefs like this.


Also, if you are going to say where their ancestors came from and grew up factored into their intelligence, then isn't it hypocritical to dismiss the argument that black people are still suffering from the negative effects of slavery?
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:01 pm to
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That's fine if you want to hide behind evolution as a way of justifying it.


You are no longer worth the effort. Good day
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:08 pm to
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You need to decide if want to have big boy thoughts or not.
Thanks, baw. Maybe one day, I'll earn your respect. That's what I'm here for.
Posted by kkv75
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 5:08 pm to
There is only one opinion, mine. Problem is everybody feels this way. The MOB
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