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re: Westbrook may be available

Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:04 am to
Posted by Sir Cunteo Longcock
Member since Jun 2019
67 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:04 am to
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“No one cares. We’d rather it be him [getting the rebound],” Steven Adams told ESPN’s Royce Young in December. “I like it because I can actually box out my dude. It’s good that he actually gets to come in and take it. I don’t mind it.”



And this part isn't a response to you.. but to whomever said he wasn't a good teammate... if nothing else this proves otherwise. Your team (coach and players alike) trusts you that much that they are willing to give up going for the rebound so you can hopefully grab them. If a team didn't respect him or didn't consider him a good teammate I'm willing to bet they wouldn't give a damn about the team's strategy to get him the ball
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17367 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:12 am to
How many superstars have a 3 pt % under 30%??

None

And again, go to my other post and actually READ the 2 articles I posted
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 7:17 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:16 am to
Yeah, that's why two superstars have bailed on him, he's TOO good of a teammate....

I don't hate Westbrook, but you aren't winning a championship with Westbrook as your main identity piece. And Westbrook is not at a place where he will accept anything less.

Add to that his contract and being on the wrong side of thirty with cracks it is already catching up to him, and you stay as far away as possible.
Posted by Sir Cunteo Longcock
Member since Jun 2019
67 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:23 am to
KD lied and told him he was returning. KD was ring chasing. That's not on Westbrook. You forget that PG could've bailed on him last season when he was a free agent. Dude could've joined Lebron to play with his hometown and childhood team the Lakers, but he stayed. Was not Westbrook's fault that OKC traded him and PG and Westbrook just said it was all love b/w the 2 of them but continue. Lol y'all seem to forget Westbrook and KD were one round away from being in the championship before getting knocked off by the team KD would later join. And Lebron is on the wrong side of 30, but the difference? At least one of them didn't scare off Kawahi, Kyrie, Paul George, KD, Kemba, Klay, etc all in 2 straight free agencies. Just saying

And to add to that. At least one of them didn't have to have half his team traded to keep up with Golden State. And at least he didn't do OKC what AD did to us. Even if y'all don't agree with anything I'm saying, at least we as Pels fans can agree the way AD went about wanting to leave was wrong


Fyi Lebron at 30 25.3 Ppg 48.8% 6.0 Rpg 7.4 Apg

Westbrook at 30 22.9 Ppg 42% 11.1 Rpg 10.7 Apg. Either way.. those numbers for both are incredible to say they're on the wrong side of 30
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 7:36 am
Posted by Sir Cunteo Longcock
Member since Jun 2019
67 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:29 am to
So even 30's are good? Low 40's? And I did. Still doesn't matter nor goes against my point
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:32 am to
What Westbrook was capable of with a Top 5 player at his peak in his prime is hardly relevant today, let alone whether acquiring him makes sense as he is now on the other side of 30.

KD left, Paul George requested a trade two seasons into playing with Westbrook.

Actions speak louder than words. If I break up with my girlfriend to be with someone else, I'm not gonna slam her on the way out either, but make no mistake, I am choosing not to be with you.

Posted by Sir Cunteo Longcock
Member since Jun 2019
67 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 7:40 am to
He's still capable, check the stats, yes they most definitely are. If you actually look, they're saying there are teams who are interested provided he does indeed want to be traded, yes I'd say it makes sense to acquire him. KD left bc he was ring chasing, and PG again..still said that it's all love b/w the 2 of them. Meaning he doesn't think Westbrook was a bad teammate but I like how you just tried to reach and assume that's why he left. And that last part made no sense. You can break up with someone and still respect/be friends with them. Yes.. you could slam her. That's literally a thing nowadays that ppl do. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever. Just like there was bad blood once KD left
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 7:42 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:08 am to
I've checked the stats, 50% TS%, the lowest since his sophomore season. 6.2 FTA, the lowest since his sophomore season, 3.4 fouls per game, highest in his career. Drops below his career percentage in FG% and 3P%. Shooting below 40% in both of his recent playoff appearances.

That is not a championship caliber anchor for a team.

You can go on believing that George and KD didn't leave because they didn't think they could win with Westbrook, and that he wasnt grating on them with his playstyle.

You can think Presti wants to move him because he is a fool. That most GM's will require getting assets to take him because they are dumb. The rest of us will live in reality.

Where Westbrook is on the back end of his career making 40 million a year and has not demonstrated in recent years that he can take a team deep into the playoffs even with a 3rd MVP runner up.
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 8:11 am
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19127 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:13 am to
There is no scenario where I would want a declining Westbrook on this team with his bloated salary. I want to know how we can be the third team to help facilitate his eventual trade to the Knicks, Heat or Rockets. Maybe we can throw in Moore, Wood and a few seconds to see what kind of asset we can get.

Personally, I would like to see OKC trade Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3. Would love for him to watch his career end in OKC, as his huge salary makes it impossible for him to bring in his banana boat buddies to help him win anything.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4759 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:20 am to
This guys arguing that Adams likes Westbrook and doesnt mind giving up his rebounds, which is literally one of his strongest aspects of his game, LOL. Wtf, yeh Adams doesnt like Westbrook either. Big guys love getting boards. Im sure he wouldnt mind grabbing 12 rebs a game instead of 9, getting all star consideration etc. not going to happen with Westbrook though. He could be a 16 and 12 guy instead of a 13 and 9 guy. He would put up better stats on another team, but he defers to his stat chasing teammate because he has to. And not for the sake of wins either.

Word on the street was that PG wanted out. Teams knew it and went for him. Now PG is traded - it was known before Kawhi recruited him that he wanted out.


Actually Westbrook also had Victor Oladipo. So thats two MVP’s and two all stars he ran off.


This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 8:23 am
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17367 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:22 am to
I challenge you to find me a superstar with worse 3 pt % not named Giannis who just started shooting them

And apparently you didnt read them because you're still trying to argue the rebounding stat when it proves in the article he plays no defense and his rebound stats are inflated due to others boxing out so he can get them
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:25 am to
And what Giannis lacks in a 3p shot, he makes up for in sky-high efficiency.

58% last season. Compare that to Westbrook's 43%.

If you can't knock down threes, you need to be able to make up for it with efficiency elsewhere. Westbrook's has never been great there and is now declining.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:25 am to
quote:


Actually Westbrook also had Victor Oladipo. So thats two MVP’s and two all stars he ran off.




Forogt about that as well.
Posted by Sir Cunteo Longcock
Member since Jun 2019
67 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:38 am to
But PPg, APg, RPG, SPG are up there but go on. And I'm sure. I'll believe anything someone posts on TD over the main sources. I'm sure you (the only one I've heard have that sentiment) are 100% correct. Just like it was dumb for us to take Lonzo and 2 unproven players but...here we are. And he actually has proven that btw. Twice. I know I just said that. But go ahead and believe what you will. Guess Jrue being 29 and turning 30 means he's gonna slide for us next yr then. Don't become a GM
Posted by Sir Cunteo Longcock
Member since Jun 2019
67 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:40 am to
I just said that doesn't matter to my point, did I not? And did you not read my post? I asked if 30's to lower 40 was any better, did I not? And obviously you didn't read into what I was saying about the rebounding.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4759 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:45 am to
Sir cnt you have named yourself accurately.

Bronc is crushing you with stats. Watcha got?
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 8:59 am
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4759 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:55 am to
You literally ignored the other 8 years of stats talking about his shooting percentages comparing only this year to last year. Dude stop being a clown.

Then you argued that his team doesnt pad his rebounding stats by letting him snag rebounds then posted a quote where steve adams says they let him get rebounds. Why dont you look up what Carmelo said about it?

And also, say what you want succinctly. No one is going to read your rambling posts of vomit. Lol.

Also, are you asking if there’s a big diff between 40% from 3 and low 30%???????

Get the frick out of here! Is this real?

In short, yes there is a huge difference, since 40% is considered elite, and 30% is considered trash!

Wtf! Cant respond to you anymore dude wow. Just wow.

Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 8:57 am to
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But PPg, APg, RPG, SPG are up there but go on.


PPG are not up, SPG is about average but they have been higher multiple times before.

But efficiency and advanced metrics are far more indicative of the quality of player and they are trending the wrong way. There is no debate about whether Westbrook has not been at his peak the last two seasons, the numbers and eye test bear it out. Again, why do you think GM's are giving Westbrook the cold shoulder? Presti, who committed to him fully, now wants out?

Jrue is also not making 40 million a year. Up to 47 by the time he is a contract is up. His game is also not built entirely around freakish athleticism. Those players always have a much more severe drop-off. Look at AI as a model of this. By the time he reached 33 he was a shell of himself.

I'm just glad you're not our GM. Selling Lonzo, Ingram, and presumably whatever young players it takes for 31-year-old Westbrook, jesus fricking christ lol.



This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 8:58 am
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
15887 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 9:02 am to
Stats are deceiving and are not evidence of team fit.

Westbrook is not a winner, as evidenced by zero rings, despite having multiple mvp candidates and multiple future HOFers surrounding him.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/8/19 at 9:09 am to
He wants to win on his terms, his way.

And when your way has so many holes in it, unless you can overwhelm with insane elite talent, you are always going to run up against those teams that are more willfully synergistic and sacrificial.

It was AI's problem, it is Westbrook's problem. Both had a window where they could have been the 1st or 2nd option on a championship team if things fell right, but once they hit the other side of their peak, but still want to be the first or second option, still play like they did years ago, you just can't win like that.
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