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re: Don't Fire Monty!!!
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:15 pm to WindSurfer
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:15 pm to WindSurfer
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You probably weren't even considering picking Lamb at 10. Hindsight GMs are the best.
no, I wasn't...I never claimed that I was...that's the team's job, not mine...I'm just saying now that the team screwed up, and Lamb is clearly much better than Rivers right now.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:24 pm to drake20
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no, I wasn't...I never claimed that I was...that's the team's job, not mine...I'm just saying now that the team screwed up, and Lamb is clearly much better than Rivers right now.
he should be asking me. If I wanted to dig in facebook, I had a conversation with a friend about not wanting rivers, but lamb with the pick because rivers does everything that EG does, cept worse. at least lamb could hit free throws and shoot 3s at a higher %
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:27 pm to drake20
You act like Lamb is an all star, he is not. Just like Rivers, he is a bench player. I am not too bummed out about missing out on him.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:31 pm to WindSurfer
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You act like Lamb is an all star, he is not. Just like Rivers, he is a bench player. I am not too bummed out about missing out on him.
we aren't, we're clearly stating the simple fact that lamb is a better player than rivers.
You have some weird love fest for rivers, i just don't understand. But hey, that's you.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:33 pm to WindSurfer
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You act like Lamb is an all star, he is not. Just like Rivers, he is a bench player. I am not too bummed out about missing out on him.
Lamb has shown us the progression that leads you to believe he will be a solid NBA player...Rivers has shown nothing that says he will be a good NBA player.
...players sometimes take big leaps for year 3. Lamb could be very good...he only played 6 MPG as a rookie.
...a good sixth man on a contender is very valuable...a lot more valuable than a D-leaguer.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:37 pm to htran90
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he is a bench player.
so is Jamal Crawford, Markieff Morris, and Taj Gibson.
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You have some weird love fest for rivers, i just don't understand. But hey, that's you.
...and Monty.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:44 pm to drake20
OKC is also one of the best teams in developing players that may play factor in it. Look at Ibaka, Jackson, Westbrook, and Harden.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:50 pm to 504ByrdGang
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OKC is also one of the best teams in developing players that may play factor in it. Look at Ibaka, Jackson, Westbrook, and Harden.
but...but
monty is awesome too
he produces GV, lopez, aminu, ryno, and AD
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:51 pm to htran90
Lamb vs. Rivers
At rim: 69% to 56%
From 3-10 feet: 38% to 33%
From 10-16 feet: 46% to 6%
From 16-24 feet: 38% to 9%
From 3PT land: 35% to 32%
Jump shots overall: 38% to 29%
Lay-Ups overall: 62% to 51%
PER: 14.2 to 10.5
Offensive Rating: 109 to 98
Defensive Rating: 104 to 113
...I'd say that's a significant difference.
...Rivers has absolutely no mid-range game. He's extremely limited. He has made only 21 three-pointers all season.
His catch-and-shoot numbers are improving, but what are we talking about here, 15 shots?
At rim: 69% to 56%
From 3-10 feet: 38% to 33%
From 10-16 feet: 46% to 6%
From 16-24 feet: 38% to 9%
From 3PT land: 35% to 32%
Jump shots overall: 38% to 29%
Lay-Ups overall: 62% to 51%
PER: 14.2 to 10.5
Offensive Rating: 109 to 98
Defensive Rating: 104 to 113
...I'd say that's a significant difference.
...Rivers has absolutely no mid-range game. He's extremely limited. He has made only 21 three-pointers all season.
His catch-and-shoot numbers are improving, but what are we talking about here, 15 shots?
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:54 pm to 504ByrdGang
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OKC is also one of the best teams in developing players that may play factor in it. Look at Ibaka, Jackson, Westbrook, and Harden.
EXACTLY...the point of this thread...better coaching!
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:05 pm to WindSurfer
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You act like Lamb is an all star, he is not. Just like Rivers, he is a bench player. I am not too bummed out about missing out on him.
You have had some horrible rebuttals in your own thread. And have contradicted yourself a few times too.
First, its Monty is a great coach and led us to the playoffs with CP3 and "nobodies". Which isnt true. He inherited a team with the best PG in the game in CP3, 1 of the better PFs in the game in David West, and other good players like Ariza, Belli, Okafor, Peja, Thornton, Jarret jack, and Carl Landry.
Then try and say Monty has improved players. And use examples such as Ryan Anderson, Aminu, Rivers and AD. Ryan Anderson has been the exact same player hes always been. Aminu and Rivers are still garbage. And most 1st year players improve going to their 2nd year. Like AD has. If he played more than 28mpg last year, his stats improvement wouldnt have been nearly as much as it was. His PER 36 last year was like 17pts, 10rebs, and 2.2 blocks. Not far off what hes averaging this year, when hes playing 35mpg. So our guys havent really improved. And what about the players that have regressed under Monty? Like Gordon and Tyreke? The 2 highest paid players on our team.
And then your response was well Demps got us shitty players. Do you really think that the GMs dont work with coaches in sports? And that GMs just go and sign players that they want to sign? Because thats not how it works. And we were in tank mode to rebuild draft wise, and we succeeded. We got AD, no brainer, then Monty had to have Rivers so took him as well. And look at the players Demps has got then past few years. Holiday, Anderson, and Evans are good NBA players. Its nobody's fault that Holiday and Anderson have been hurt. Just happens. But its been evident that Monty cant figure out how to best use Evans. And has never talked with Evans about his role. Its like he just randomly throws Evans out there.
And finally, we get on the Rivers draft pick situation. It was Monty who wanted to take him and lobbied for him leading up to the draft. Took him over guys like Lamb, Harkless, T.Jones, etc. And a lot of people wanted Lamb. Your response to that? Its not like Lambs an all star. Hes a bench player like Rivers. Not a big loss. For real? Its evident that Lamb > Rivers and has a much brighter future in the NBA. And being a bench player for OKC and playing legit minutes and contributing is a little different than backing up Brian Roberts. So your not too bummed out on missing out on a guy that is better than Rivers and would be a better player, making our team better? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Weve got the star. Weve got good, talented players around him (former / potential all stars). We dont have the coach that could unit the squad and bring it all together.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:26 pm to KG5989
Let me get this straight, every bad player we acquire is Monty's fault. Every good player, credit Demps! Also, in the conversation for who to get with the 10th, lamb was hardly ever mentioned. We have no idea if Monty is a good coach because of injuries and the crap rosters he has been given.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:40 pm to WindSurfer
If Monty developed is a great talent developer with Aminu, Jason Smith, Vasquez, Lopez, Rivers, etc, why are we still in the position for the lottery 3 years straight?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:43 pm to Gtothemoney
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If Monty developed is a great talent developer with Aminu, Jason Smith, Vasquez, Lopez, Rivers, etc, why are we still in the position for the lottery 3 years straight?
Dell has not surrounded them with enough talent and the one year he did everyone got injured,
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:44 pm to WindSurfer
nono, you just simply talked yourself into a corner.
first you said monty should stay because we have talent and it isn't his fault we got riddled by injuries.
then you said dell demps is crap because he got us no talent.
Monty hasn't developed players or projects into impact players for our team.
ETA: Ryno and the great chief were trade acquisitions, remember that. who trades/signs players? Dell...right?
ETA2: dell acquired EG from the CP3 trade. at the time he was a very up and coming SG. Evans was a ROY and rare 20/5/5 player. Last year, he played his most efficient and see what happens when he comes here?
first you said monty should stay because we have talent and it isn't his fault we got riddled by injuries.
then you said dell demps is crap because he got us no talent.
Monty hasn't developed players or projects into impact players for our team.
ETA: Ryno and the great chief were trade acquisitions, remember that. who trades/signs players? Dell...right?
ETA2: dell acquired EG from the CP3 trade. at the time he was a very up and coming SG. Evans was a ROY and rare 20/5/5 player. Last year, he played his most efficient and see what happens when he comes here?
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:49 pm to htran90
I said Monty should stay because we have talent and it isn't his fault because of injury. TRUE
The years before Dell gave Monty crap. TRUE
Monty has developed players and helped them reach their ceiling. TRUE. Is he a miracle worker that can develop Aminu into an all-star? No, of course not.
The years before Dell gave Monty crap. TRUE
Monty has developed players and helped them reach their ceiling. TRUE. Is he a miracle worker that can develop Aminu into an all-star? No, of course not.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:51 pm to htran90
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ETA: Ryno and the great chief were trade acquisitions, remember that. who trades/signs players? Dell...right?
I have been told that Monty has a huge say in the signing and drafting of our bad players. Can the same not be said for the good?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:52 pm to WindSurfer
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:53 pm to Gtothemoney
I do not agree but KG thinks to think all the bad players we have signed and drafted is Monty's fault.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:55 pm to WindSurfer
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Let me get this straight, every bad player we acquire is Monty's fault. Every good player, credit Demps! Also, in the conversation for who to get with the 10th, lamb was hardly ever mentioned. We have no idea if Monty is a good coach because of injuries and the crap rosters he has been given.
Did I say that?? No. Not even close. The 1 guy that Monty wanted and lobbied for was Rivers. Thats all I said. And it seems to be a bad pick. And considering we got Jrue, Anderson, and Evans via free agency / trades, the credit goes to Demps.
And we have acquired some good players. But they turn to crap when they play for us. Thats all coaching. And we have had guys that werent too good for us so we let them go, and then they become solid players for opposing teams. Thats all coaching.
Lamb went 12th overall.... Hell he was mentioned as a guy that could potentially go top 10. So saying Lamb wasnt in the conversation to go 10th is wrong.
Monty has been here for 4 seasons. Hes not a good coach.
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Monty has developed players and helped them reach their ceiling.
You keep saying that. And its not true.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 8:01 pm
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